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Old 1st March 2011, 01:25   #1
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There ought to be a thread on this and I couldn't see one. I'll keep my thoughts on the issue for a time except to say my only interest is that he is England's reserve wicketkeeper and the timing is bad. Why do it now?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011...ven-davies-gay
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Old 1st March 2011, 01:48   #2
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There ought to be a thread on this and I couldn't see one. I'll keep my thoughts on the issue for a time except to say my only interest is that he is England's reserve wicketkeeper and the timing is bad. Why do it now?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011...ven-davies-gay
There isn't a thread but the topic has been very much talked about. See the selection panel thread.

I don't know why now, but Davies is in England and the team are in India so it shouldn't affect them much if at all. And by the time the English season starts, everyone will have moved on, so I don't see the timing as particularly inappropriate.
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There isn't a thread but the topic has been very much talked about. See the selection panel thread.

I don't know why now, but Davies is in England and the team are in India so it shouldn't affect them much if at all. And by the time the English season starts, everyone will have moved on, so I don't see the timing as particularly inappropriate.
Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought Davies was was our reserve wicketkeeper "in situ". It's just that I think it should have waited until April. I''ll have a look at the selection panel thread but it's one of the last places I would have thought to look on this delicate subject.
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Old 1st March 2011, 02:24   #4
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btw, I just looked at the selection panel thread. Briefly. Some of the biggest drivel I have ever seen posted on this site.
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Old 1st March 2011, 04:37   #5
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No mention of Jimmy's Attitude article anywhere...
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We'll move the discussion from the Selection Panel and Surrey Thread here. If there are any posts you want to refer back to, please feel free to quote them. I was going to move posts from both threads to here, but have concluded that it would be too confusing.
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Why is it bad timing, Charlie? How does it alter anything?
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btw, I just looked at the selection panel thread. Briefly. Some of the biggest drivel I have ever seen posted on this site.
Agreed. To be honest, when I saw the story, I was glad there was no thread on here discussing it (didn't realise it was elsewhere). There's nothing to discuss unless you're bored and looking to stir. Good on Davies for publicising it, but otherwise, move on.
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To be honest, when I saw the story, I was glad there was no thread on here discussing it
Agreed, and I'm sorry I've spent this much time on the subject.
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btw, I just looked at the selection panel thread. Briefly. Some of the biggest drivel I have ever seen posted on this site.
I'll second that. Some people can't seem to grasp the fact that he was selected for additional squads in the knowledge (of Flower & Strauss and all his teammates, and presumably the other selectors) that he was gay. Prior simply forced a change of tack with his form towards the end of the Ashes series, and given his experience and presence in the field it would probably be more pertinent to ask why the relatively inexperienced Davies was picked in the first place for such a gruelling and high profile tournament as the ODI World Cup than why Prior was reinstated.

Furthermore some of the comments about his standard of wicketkeeping are rubbish. I watched Steve Davies regularly at Surrey last season; he's a superb wicketkeeper, very tidy behind the stumps, and a gifted strokemaker with a full range of shots. He fully deserved his international recognition with his combined strength in both suits.
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I'll second that. Some people can't seem to grasp the fact that he was selected for additional squads in the knowledge (of Flower & Strauss and all his teammates, and presumably the other selectors) that he was gay. Prior simply forced a change of tack with his form towards the end of the Ashes series, and given his experience and presence in the field it would probably be more pertinent to ask why the relatively inexperienced Davies was picked in the first place for such a gruelling and high profile tournament as the ODI World Cup than why Prior was reinstated.

Furthermore some of the comments about his standard of wicketkeeping are rubbish. I watched Steve Davies regularly at Surrey last season; he's a superb wicketkeeper, very tidy behind the stumps, and a gifted strokemaker with a full range of shots. He fully deserved his international recognition with his combined strength in both suits.
OY! Agree with all the rest though. It seems the very clear reasons Flower gave for the late change never registered.
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OY! Agree with all the rest though. It seems the very clear reasons Flower gave for the late change never registered.
Well, I guess we're all biased in favour of our own county's players. When I first saw Steve Davies keeping for Worcs a few years back I thought he looked a bit ordinary and couldn't understand why he was already being hailed as a future international, but he must have barely been out of his teens at the time; however I genuinely believe he's matured a hell of a lot since then. He certainly represents a step up from a decent county pro like his predecessor Jon Batty, who did a valuable job for the county for many years.

I always championed Prior as an England selection on the basis of seeing him for Sussex a number of times, and his glovework was initially exposed a bit at international level. I'm certain that, like Prior, Davies will eventually attain the required standard of consistency for the highest level.
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To be fair, Ive hardly seen him since he joined Surrey so I may well be clinging on ferociously to an out of date view.
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... It seems the very clear reasons Flower gave for the late change never registered.
Sure they registered, it's just that most of us were bemused because they didn't look like very good reasons. It's all there on whatever thread it was; I can't remember anyone saying "yes, quite right, I'd have done that too if I were the selectors". It's still unclear whether Prior is better than Davies would have been, either opening the batting or down the order, either on these wickets or on those, or whether Prior's wicketkeeping style is significantly preferable to that of Davies. Whether one wants to correlate Davies's dropping with his sexuality is another thing entirely, of course; but the recent revelations don't change the fact that it was a largely baffling bit of selectorial business, even having heard what Flower said about it at the time.
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I thought the reasons made perfect sense - what surprised me was the lateness of the change from a group who had just triumphed in the ashes in part through immaculate planning.
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I think that if you're going to use selection whimsy as a reason to give credibility to baseless conspiracy theories, then you're going to be able to publish a fantastic novel by the end of the day. Get James Cameron to option the film rights and you'll put Avatar to shame. Going by recent posts, you can start by claiming that all unselected, viable England keeper candidates, apart from Gojo, are gay.
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I thought the reasons made perfect sense - what surprised me was the lateness of the change from a group who had just triumphed in the ashes in part through immaculate planning.
The reasons were good reasons in principle, but what's not clear -- to me, at least -- is that they had a solid basis. I mean, it's perfectly good logic to say "We're going to drop X for Y because we think Y is better at cricket than X"; but if it is by no means clear to most other onlookers that Y actually is better at cricket than X, then the force of the argument might seem to be somewhat compromised.
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I think that if you're going to use selection whimsy as a reason to give credibility to baseless conspiracy theories, then you're going to be able to publish a fantastic novel by the end of the day. Get James Cameron to option the film rights and you'll put Avatar to shame. Going by recent posts, you can start by claiming that all unselected, viable England keeper candidates, apart from Gojo, are gay.
Is there a referent for the "you" in this post, Slop?
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To whom it may concern.
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I think that if you're going to use selection whimsy as a reason to give credibility to baseless conspiracy theories, then you're going to be able to publish a fantastic novel by the end of the day. Get James Cameron to option the film rights and you'll put Avatar to shame. Going by recent posts, you can start by claiming that all unselected, viable England keeper candidates, apart from Gojo, are gay.
This is Sans after all who thinks England and India fixed the tie.
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