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Old 21st November 2013, 20:42   #181
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There seems to be a lot of chatter around the 'net from English fans insisting that Australian players rarely walk, as if this is any way relevant to the barracking handed out by Broad today. The Aussie fans aren't protesting against the injustice of Broad's refusal to walk, they're simply using the incident as a peg on which to hang the heckling of an opposition player. It's been happening for years from both sets of fans. I was at the YB40 final a few months ago and the Glammie contingent - and one or two neutrals too - gave Broad a right barracking, with 'cheat cheat cheat' ringing around the Compton Stand for the best part of an hour. I doubt that any of them were actually adopting any moral high ground regarding the ethics of not walking, they simply wanted to have a pop at one of the oppo.
Obviously.

Interesting to hear Broad's views on Lehman's 'apology' on the roadshow yesterday.
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Old 21st November 2013, 22:16   #182
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Obviously.

Interesting to hear Broad's views on Lehman's 'apology' on the roadshow yesterday.
What did he have to say?
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Old 22nd November 2013, 00:03   #183
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What did he have to say?
They played an extract of interview he did with Michael Vaughan (which I think is available on a podcast).

After match one of the players came over to Broad and apologised on Lehman's behalf. Then Lehman came over and offered a half hearted "it was only a joke" apology to which Broad said "it didn't seem like it" and that was it.

So essentially, it wasn't much of an apology and Broad wasn't impressed with Lehman sending over one of his players nor what the coach said himself. You could tell by the way Broad spoke about it that he clearly doesn't think much of Lehman.
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Old 22nd November 2013, 03:02   #184
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Some people get distracted by needle, some get inspired. I don't think Broad is one of the players you sledge.
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Old 22nd November 2013, 10:32   #185
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Broad reminds me of Botham and Flintoff, a wholehearted English all rounder.

Botham and Flintoff were generally well liked in Australia as they fitted in with the boozy Aussie yobbos in the crowd.

It's not just the not walking, Broad attracts more hate here because he looks like the typical English public schoolboy even though he's just as tough as Botham and Flintoff cricketwise.
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Old 22nd November 2013, 11:51   #186
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Broad reminds me of Botham and Flintoff, a wholehearted English all rounder.

Botham and Flintoff were generally well liked in Australia as they fitted in with the boozy Aussie yobbos in the crowd.

It's not just the not walking, Broad attracts more hate here because he looks like the typical English public schoolboy even though he's just as tough as Botham and Flintoff cricketwise.
I can't speak for Botham as I never saw him play, just seen a few highlights. But as well as being a wholehearted cricketer, Flintoff was also a very genial bloke on the field. He didn't do the double teapot at a team-mate's misfield; in fact he would applaud a dropped catch for the effort made. His on-field behaviour was as far from Broad's as it is possible to be. He was well-loved for the warmth of his personality as well as his boozy lifestyle.

Broad actually is an English public schoolboy but that should be irrelevant. He loves to be seen as a hard man, possibly to offset his choirboy looks, and has the mistaken belief, stupidly encouraged by his employers and some in the media, that being contentious, standing your ground, giving no quarter, showing no patience with fumbling fielders and not accepting umpires' decisions shows that you are competitive, proves you are a winner. Nonsense. What proves you are a winner is the performance itself, and, of course, winning.

He has always divided opinion among English supporters, many having seen his behaviour as that of a petulant brat rather than a strong competitor but in the last couple of years as he has gained consistency with the ball and put in several match-winning performances he has won detractors round. The Aussie media used the non-incident last summer to promote Broad's superficial Mr Nasty persona and the Aussie public embraced it enthusiastically.
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Old 22nd November 2013, 12:03   #187
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he's an easy guy to dislike because he looks like jedward yet acts like he's voldemort. no surprise it's caught on, with no other figure around like a phil tufnell or a harmison for the crowd and media to target. even the recent trolling of pietersen seemed contrived and old hat.
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Old 22nd November 2013, 12:09   #188
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I can't speak for Botham as I never saw him play, just seen a few highlights. But as well as being a wholehearted cricketer, Flintoff was also a very genial bloke on the field. He didn't do the double teapot at a team-mate's misfield; in fact he would applaud a dropped catch for the effort made. His on-field behaviour was as far from Broad's as it is possible to be. He was well-loved for the warmth of his personality as well as his boozy lifestyle.

Broad actually is an English public schoolboy but that should be irrelevant. He loves to be seen as a hard man, possibly to offset his choirboy looks, and has the mistaken belief, stupidly encouraged by his employers and some in the media, that being contentious, standing your ground, giving no quarter, showing no patience with fumbling fielders and not accepting umpires' decisions shows that you are competitive, proves you are a winner. Nonsense. What proves you are a winner is the performance itself, and, of course, winning.

He has always divided opinion among English supporters, many having seen his behaviour as that of a petulant brat rather than a strong competitor but in the last couple of years as he has gained consistency with the ball and put in several match-winning performances he has won detractors round. The Aussie media used the non-incident last summer to promote Broad's superficial Mr Nasty persona and the Aussie public embraced it enthusiastically.
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Anderson uses aggression when bowling to fire himself up. A few verbals and the stare. In keeping with the northernness and the monobrow.
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Stuart Broad is an absolute idiot, there are a few of them around in world cricket, but he's right up there with them.

I remember this incident a few years ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC69eibcoYE

He got away with it scotch free, I know other players who've done similar. Harmison, Gul, McGrath and Brett Lee, but they've always been apologetic at the end of it. Broad's apology or attempt at one is as genuine as a politician's promise.

If ever a bowler deserved to get hit for 6x6s, I'm glad it's him.
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And that has what to do with walking?
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And that has what to do with walking?
A reflection of his character. You generally can put together the guys who have attitudes like his with non-walking.
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99% of all cricketers are arseholes?
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A reflection of his character. You generally can put together the guys who have attitudes like his with non-walking.
LOLs. The correlations I've seen over the last 12 hours on here have been hilarious.
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LOLs. The correlations I've seen over the last 12 hours 5+ years on here have been hilarious.
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Yeah, but this has been in concentrated form. The others were punctuated with the odd bits of insight.

OK, not really.
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Yeah, but this has been in concentrated form. The others were punctuated with the odd bits of insight.

OK, not really.
What is this insight you write about?
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I was lying. Sorry.
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Face the wall, in the far corner.

Not that corner, the other one.
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I doubt the Broad "non walking" incident is why the Aussie fans see him the way they do (atrocious umpiring though). He was already disliked and so anything that could remotely resemble or be spun into a justification for further dislike (regardless to whether it be genuine or not) will be gladly accepted.

He is far less petulant than his early days and is bowling well of late. Will win them over at some stage, as villains usually do. There are probably many already who admire him for the "non walking" poker face incident underneath it all, except he wasn't one of ours.
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