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Old 23rd August 2013, 09:51   #101
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I read Breacan's post: he opts to apply his own ethics rather than the laws of the game. That's fine.
I kinda take the view that the principles of any sport tend to precede the codification of rules or laws.

Take the "Underarm ball" - there wasn't any specific law against it for several decades of one-day cricket because it was commonly understood that it was not how the game should be played. It was only when one side decided the letter of the law was more relevant than the ethics of sport that it became necessary to extend the laws to specifically outlaw what all decent cricketers (including many in the offending side) felt was unacceptable and had self-policed for decades.

To me ethics transcend the laws - both in sport and in society - and if more people focused on doing what is "right" rather than what is "legal" or "they can get away with", then the world would be a much better place.
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Old 23rd August 2013, 09:53   #102
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Lehmann stokes up the fires. Seems like an attempt to wind-up the England team, but this could easily blow up in his face. Includes calling Broad a cheat (which he wasn't), and saying he nicked to slip (he didn't).
I'm assuming he always walked as a player?
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Old 23rd August 2013, 09:58   #103
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I'm assuming he always walked as a player?
In this rant, he himself says he doesn't advocate walking. It's only because Broad so obviously [didn't] hit it to slip that it was cheating.

HAHA, just seen Lehman got fined for his comments.
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Old 23rd August 2013, 10:32   #104
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In this rant, he himself says he doesn't advocate walking. It's only because Broad so obviously [didn't] hit it to slip that it was cheating.

HAHA, just seen Lehman got fined for his comments.
And the fine's being paid by the radio station he was on, Triple M.
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Old 24th August 2013, 02:09   #105
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In this rant, he himself says he doesn't advocate walking. It's only because Broad so obviously [didn't] hit it to slip that it was cheating.
So in the world of Lehmann, it's only cheating if it is blatant? And let me guess, he gets to decide what constitutes "blatant"?

Hypocrisy at its best - and I suspect the fact Broad is English rather than Australian is the main factor here.
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Old 24th August 2013, 03:16   #106
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ECB have labelled it incitement. Guess by the letter it could be seen as such, won't argue it's not unprofessional but it wasn't in a press conference but on a laddish radio statio to gee up fans. A fine is about right but incitement?
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Old 24th August 2013, 07:28   #107
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I wonder what Lehmann thinks about David Warner's first innings dismissal at Old Trafford? Not only did he edge it to slip via the keeper and fail to walk, he actually reviewed it when given out!!
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Old 24th August 2013, 07:50   #108
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Michael Vaughan said when he was a young cricketer and played with Lehmann that Darren was always very forceful to the younger players telling them never to walk.
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Old 24th August 2013, 15:33   #109
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Well this is it, he's never really been big on walking.
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Old 24th August 2013, 17:03   #110
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"I don't like to be called a cheat and basically he's calling all people who don't walk a cheat, which would include himself.

"'Cheat' is not a word you should use very light-heartedly, Even when you've got your tongue in your cheek it's pretty hypocritical for an Australian to complain about somebody not walking."


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Old 30th August 2013, 14:39   #111
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ECB have labelled it incitement. Guess by the letter it could be seen as such, won't argue it's not unprofessional but it wasn't in a press conference but on a laddish radio statio to gee up fans. A fine is about right but incitement?
Let me get this ... if it was in a press conference, that would be incitement, perhaps because journalists are generally easily incited? But because it was on a "laddish radio station" it wasn't incitement, because laddish people who listen to such radio stations are generally too calm and thoughtful to be incited?
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The MCC's "Spirit of Cricket" award has been given to Wayne Madsen ... for walking.

So it is clear that walking is viewed by the MCC -- or at least by whoever judged this award -- as a splendid example of the Spirit of Cricket.

In view of this, and in view of the preamble to the Laws which states that
The captains are responsible at all times for ensuring that play is conducted within the Spirit of the Game as well as within the Laws
it seems clear that in the view of the MCC, a captain should seek to stamp out the practice of not-walking from his team.

What is Alastair Cook going to do about it? I think we should be told.
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Old 23rd September 2013, 11:20   #113
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The MCC's "Spirit of Cricket" award has been given to Wayne Madsen ... for walking.

So it is clear that walking is viewed by the MCC -- or at least by whoever judged this award -- as a splendid example of the Spirit of Cricket.

In view of this, and in view of the preamble to the Laws which states that
The captains are responsible at all times for ensuring that play is conducted within the Spirit of the Game as well as within the Laws
it seems clear that in the view of the MCC, a captain should seek to stamp out the practice of not-walking from his team.

What is Alastair Cook going to do about it? I think we should be told.
But then if walking is within the Spirit of the Game, why do we need to single out one individual for doing it if, surely, everyone else is as well?
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Old 23rd September 2013, 12:09   #114
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But then if walking is within the Spirit of the Game, why do we need to single out one individual for doing it if, surely, everyone else is as well?
The fact that a player has been singled out for walking shows that he is arguably in the minority. Because if the majority walked then it wouldn't need to be highlighted. So what does that tell us about the modern game? What is judged as the spirit of the game is not the same as what it would have been 50 years ago.
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The report I read said that Madsen walked after the umpire gave him not out.

Surely he should have walked before the umpire made a decision, rather than showing up the umpire?
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Old 23rd September 2013, 17:35   #116
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The fact that a player has been singled out for walking shows that he is arguably in the minority. Because if the majority walked then it wouldn't need to be highlighted. So what does that tell us about the modern game? What is judged as the spirit of the game is not the same as what it would have been 50 years ago.
You mean sometime between bodyline and bowling underarm? I miss those days.
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The fact that a player has been singled out for walking shows that he is arguably in the minority. Because if the majority walked then it wouldn't need to be highlighted. So what does that tell us about the modern game? What is judged as the spirit of the game is not the same as what it would have been 50 years ago.
Perhaps one could deduce that some attempt is being made to alter the spirit of the game, to accentuate and encourage aspects that are currently rarely in evidence?

Much must depend on captains in this regard. The preamble suggests that they must lead the way as regards the "Spirit" -- and not just by buying the first round.

I'd be interested to hear the views of any captains on this forum: in light of the preamble and the recent presentation of a "Spirit of Cricket" award to Madsen for walking, do you feel it is your role to encourage your team-mates to walk? And if so, how would you do this? Merely by example, or also by request?
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You mean sometime between bodyline and bowling underarm? I miss those days.
Hmmmm. There will always be exceptions. Maybe a time when more batsmen walked.
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Perhaps one could deduce that some attempt is being made to alter the spirit of the game, to accentuate and encourage aspects that are currently rarely in evidence?

Much must depend on captains in this regard. The preamble suggests that they must lead the way as regards the "Spirit" -- and not just by buying the first round.

I'd be interested to hear the views of any captains on this forum: in light of the preamble and the recent presentation of a "Spirit of Cricket" award to Madsen for walking, do you feel it is your role to encourage your team-mates to walk? And if so, how would you do this? Merely by example, or also by request?
Maybe at a lower level but at the highest levels of the game it won't change. The game is now about winning and that is all that matters. I don't agree with that ethos but that is the way the game is at professional level. There will be moments of great sportsmanship but they will be the exception rather than the rule.
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Hmmmm. There will always be exceptions. Maybe a time when more batsmen walked.
You mean like the days of that noted walker, W.G. Grace?

Mostly noted of course for walking back to put his stumps back up after being bowled and telling the bowler that "the spectators came to see me bat, not to see you bowl."
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