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Old 30th August 2007, 20:47   #261
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Sorry it should have read in 7 matches. (We teachers like to check that our audience are on their toes )

Pah! You teachers make more mistakes than your pupils.
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Old 30th August 2007, 20:50   #262
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I deleted my last message which contained a load of garbage. It made MM look really efficient.
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Old 30th August 2007, 20:51   #263
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Too late. I saw it.
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Old 30th August 2007, 20:53   #264
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Too late. I saw it.
I apologise. It's too easy for your eye to slide on to the wrong line. I think I am now right in saying that 3 bowlers have taken 13 wickets in a 7 match series and they are: Dilley, Marks and Kabir Ali. Just hang on while I have another look. Yes, I think that's right.
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Old 30th August 2007, 20:54   #265
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So Anderson just needs 4 more wickets to beat those records.
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Old 30th August 2007, 21:01   #266
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Sorry didn't see Kabir Ali or Vic Marks in those lists so thanks for the correction!
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Old 1st September 2007, 16:09   #267
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ICC Cricket ODI Rankings 27 August 2007

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2 (-) - Pietersen
14 (+15) - Bell
28 (-) - Collingwood
33 (-1) - Trescothick
34 (-1) - Flintoff
36 (-) - Strauss
72 (-5) - Vaughan
82 (-4) - Jones
86 (-4) - Solanki
88 (+106) - Cookl
No new rankings were published after the first two ODIs. I think it's interesting to note that Ian Bell has achieved his highest rating of 705 for the performance in the third match when he made 79. It seems odd that his highest rating is not for the 126* in match 1. This performance earned a rating of 676, less than the 682 for his 77 v Australia in the WC, but the innings at Bristol, criticised for being too slow, earned him an increase to 683, and finally the highest ever of 705 at Edgbaston.

Now we get told that the strength of the opposition etc gets taken into account, hence a good rating for the Australia match. But surely an unbeaten century against decent opposition ranks quite highly? I notice that everytime Matthew Hayden makes a massive score against Bangladesh he rises up the rankings. Something somewhere just ain't right.
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Old 1st September 2007, 16:54   #268
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I think you are getting confused by the fact that the rating values are cumulative. They build up over time. In any given match, a player will add a number of points for a strong performance, or lose points for a sub-par performance. The degree of gain (or loss) is tempered by the factors such as the strength of the opposing bowlers, the scores in the match, plus, as I understand it, the World Cup matches were valued more highly somehow - quite rightly, IMO.

Bell's rating value shot back up after his century at the Rose Bowl, as expected, and added a large number of rating points to his score, which was lower than it's all-time peak, due to performances in the ODIs in the last couple of matches of the World Cup and the ODI series vs West Indies. The performances at Bristol and Edgbaston added to his rating score to boost the value to a new all-time high for IRB.

If you check the graph for the player, in the LG Rankings lists, you can place the cursor over each point on the graph to review the value and the match which was being recorded.

World Cup:
Sri Lanka - rating 626
Aus - 662
Bangla - 644
SA - 628
West Indies ODIs:
Lord's - 640
Edgbaston - 624
Trent Bridge - 619
India ODIs:
Rose Bowl - 676
Bristol - 683
Edgbaston - 705

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I think you are getting confused by the fact that the rating values are cumulative. They build up over time. In any given match, a player will add a number of points for a strong performance, or lose points for a sub-par performance. The degree of gain (or loss) is tempered by the factors such as the strength of the opposing bowlers, the scores in the match, plus, as I understand it, the World Cup matches were valued more highly somehow - quite rightly, IMO.

Bell's rating value shot back up after his century at the Rose Bowl, as expected, and added a large number of rating points to his score, which was lower than it's all-time peak, due to performances in the ODIs in the last couple of matches of the World Cup and the ODI series vs West Indies. The performances at Bristol and Edgbaston added to his rating score to boost the value to a new all-time high for IRB.

If you check the graph for the player, in the LG Rankings lists, you can place the cursor over each point on the graph to review the value and the match which was being recorded.
I did that last bit, that's how I saw how many he had got for the matches at the Rosebowl etc, given that no new rankings lists were published until two matches later.

I can see that his rating would have dropped after the Australia match and until this series, but am still surprised that the 126* did not warrant a higher rating than the innings v. Australia. Still, I guess I can see the logic that a run of three good scores would have a cumulative effect leading to a higher rating.
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Old 1st September 2007, 17:24   #270
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I can see that his rating would have dropped after the Australia match and until this series, but am still surprised that the 126* did not warrant a higher rating than the innings v. Australia. Still, I guess I can see the logic that a run of three good scores would have a cumulative effect leading to a higher rating.
To make it easier, I have added the details to my post above.

In the World Cup vs Aus, Bell was credited 36 points for his exploits (662-626).
At the Rose Bowl vs India, he received 57 points for the unbeaten century (676-619). He then added 7 points at Bristol (in a losing cause) and a further 22 points at Edgbaston in a winning effort. Undoubtedly, his 24 at OT will whittle a few points off his rating score.
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Thanks, Stevie.
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I think after reviewing these things for a few years they are starting to make sense to me - scary really, since we don't have all the details available for how the calculations are performed.
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ICC Cricket ODI Rankings 8 September 2007

Batting

2 (-) - Pietersen
14 (-) - Bell
25 (+3) - Collingwood
36 (-3) - Trescothick
38 (-4) - Flintoff
40 (-4) - Strauss
81 (+1) - Jones
88 (-2) - Solanki
100 NEW - Joyce

Bowling

10 (-) - Flintoff
14 (-) - Anderson
57 (-1) - Plunkett
63 (-3) - Gough
64 (+3) - Lewis
65 (+37) - Broad
67 (+18) - Panesar
73 (-3) - Collingwood
82 (-6) - Mahmood


Still waiting

Batting
105 (-17)- Cook
115 (+45) - Shah
120 (+11) - Bopara
128 (-4) - Prior
185 (+58) - Broad
212 (+71) - Mascarenhas
247 (+12) - Panesar
261 (+5) - Anderson
274 NEW - Wright
290 (+4)) - Tremlett
312 (+5) - Sidebottom

Bowling
105 (+40) - Mascarenhas
167 (+1) - Tremlett
200 (+7) - Pietersen
202 (-1) - Bopara
207 (+2) - Bell
232 (?) - Sidebottom
269 NEW - Shah
279 NEW - Wright

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Old 8th September 2007, 22:30   #274
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How on earth does Ed Joyce move up into the top 100 without playing since the WC?
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How on earth does Ed Joyce move up into the top 100 without playing since the WC?
Other players going up and down around him.
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How on earth does Ed Joyce move up into the top 100 without playing since the WC?
Someone else must have gone down.

I was hoping Anderson and Bell would have moved up a place although Anderson didn't do anything in the last game. It just gets harder up to move the higher you get. Nice to see Broad is finally in there and Monty is gradually inching upwards.
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You mentioned Sidebottom's batting but didn't include his bowling ranking - 232nd at the moment. I'm sure he won't mind this fact not being broadcast!
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Someone else must have gone down.

I was hoping Anderson and Bell would have moved up a place although Anderson didn't do anything in the last game. It just gets harder up to move the higher you get. Nice to see Broad is finally in there and Monty is gradually inching upwards.
I agree that on the series as a whole their consistent performance should justify a higher ratiing but if you look at it match by match they haven't put in performances which exceed those in the earlier matches. Let's see how they get on in Sri Lanka.
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Thanks for that MF. I will fit RS in.

Do you think they should start a rankings for 20/20. Collingwood would be at number 1 in the bowling.
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Shah's belting up the bowling rankings I see.
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