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Old 12th October 2018, 07:19   #201
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MRNC and thedon must've both collapsed in shock, while boxing roo is probably fuming that Australia were saved by their unAustralian opener.
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Old 12th October 2018, 08:30   #202
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It's amazing what a few games for Glamorgan has done for Khawaja.
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Old 12th October 2018, 10:28   #203
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I'm not a fan of batting on for a few overs after an interval as you also lose 10mins with the changeover,
Think I'd rather gamble those 10 mins on the openers getting far less turnaround time to prepare. Didn't work on this occasion but it normally does.
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Old 12th October 2018, 10:28   #204
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Good to see a fighting draw in a test match. Not many now.
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It's amazing what a few games for Glamorgan has done for Khawaja.
While a spell at Essex has got Siddle back in the Test team. County cricket - still the best school of them all!
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Good to see a fighting draw in a test match. Not many now.
Absolutely....and maybe fewer words should be spent criticising the Pakistani tactics and more on applauding Australia's grit. Many a Test team would have succumbed to that sort of pressure.
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Old 12th October 2018, 10:33   #207
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While a spell at Essex has got Siddle back in the Test team. County cricket - still the best school of them all!
And Finch at Surrey.....
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Old 12th October 2018, 10:34   #208
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Absolutely....and maybe fewer words should be spent criticising the Pakistani tactics and more on applauding Australia's grit. Many a Test team would have succumbed to that sort of pressure.
Indeed, although ironic that those with such wonderful lineage turned out to be of no use at all in this battle.
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I checked. A side has lost after enforcing the follow on once in each century of test cricket. You win almost 80% of the time.
In a test in South Africa Michael Holding was on commentary when the question of enforcing the follow on arose. He got the stats guy to look up how many times the follow on had been enforced in test history. It turned out to be over 330. So it means that enforcing the follow on you have a less than 1% chance of losing. So he couldn't understand why captains were so reluctant these days to do it.
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In a test in South Africa Michael Holding was on commentary when the question of enforcing the follow on arose. He got the stats guy to look up how many times the follow on had been enforced in test history. It turned out to be over 330. So it means that enforcing the follow on you have a less than 1% chance of losing. So he couldn't understand why captains were so reluctant these days to do it.
They have lost three times in history. One in each century. I can understand the argument if it is half way through the second session on day three but not when only a few overs left in the day. What difference would bowling at 11am make rather than 2pm? Very odd. (It was a day night so even more odd)
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Old 12th October 2018, 12:14   #211
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In a test in South Africa Michael Holding was on commentary when the question of enforcing the follow on arose. He got the stats guy to look up how many times the follow on had been enforced in test history. It turned out to be over 330. So it means that enforcing the follow on you have a less than 1% chance of losing. So he couldn't understand why captains were so reluctant these days to do it.
Back-to-back tests.
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Old 12th October 2018, 16:38   #212
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Think I'd rather gamble those 10 mins on the openers getting far less turnaround time to prepare. Didn't work on this occasion but it normally does.
I think the simple solution there is not to declare until after you've eaten your cucumber sandwiches :-)
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In a test in South Africa Michael Holding was on commentary when the question of enforcing the follow on arose. He got the stats guy to look up how many times the follow on had been enforced in test history. It turned out to be over 330. So it means that enforcing the follow on you have a less than 1% chance of losing. So he couldn't understand why captains were so reluctant these days to do it.
But that just shows Michael Holding doesn't understand statistics. Would the ratio fall out the same were sides required to enforce the follow on in all situations? I expect that if so there would be quite a few more incidences of sides winning after being put back in.

Fwiw, I think Pakistan should've enforced in this test because by not doing so it gave the Australians time to gather their wits after the dramatic collapse in their first innings.
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Not enforcing the follow on is a loser's mentality and the provenance of sh1t captains.
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It's amazing what a few games for Glamorgan has done for Khawaja.
Khawaja has been scoring runs aplenty since 2015. Don't think Glamorgan has contributed all that much.
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MRNC and thedon must've both collapsed in shock,
Close to it Ali lol.

I couldn't have been more wrong. While it does appear the worst Aussie batting line up I can think of on paper, who cares. They showed more fight than any other of our teams for a very long time. Also unlike most teams we've fielded in recent times, they seem well led and a likeable enough bunch.

Who would've thought a white ball specialist and his partner (with an atrocious record overseas against spin) as our openers, would have done so well. A very flat wicket but still, they endured the pressure, awesome stuff. Good Captains knock from Paine also.

Gotta give Langer some props also. Seems he got it right.

I like the Paine ethos that the first priority is to be "hard to beat", rather than trying to emulate some of our better teams by always having an attacking or "playing his natural game" mindset.

Now they have to sort out that from 0-142 to losing 10 for 60 1st innings nonsense...Going to make it difficult to be "hard to beat" doing that.
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Old 13th October 2018, 13:05   #217
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Will be interesting to see where/if Renshaw gets back in for the next match. If not as opener, he should be at 3 (I doubt Langer will change openers around after their efforts).

Lots of criticism in Aus over selections for this match, but the draw is way beyond what anyone was expecting, especially after that 1st innings collapse.
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Lots of criticism in Aus over selections for this match, but the draw is way beyond what anyone was expecting, especially after that 1st innings collapse.
Yes, that was an amazing performance from Australia. You wouldn't back many sides to have held off Pakistan in those conditions, leave alone a side with limited experience of such conditions and missing its two best batsmen.

Surviving 140 overs in that situation, especially after that first innings debacle, isn't something that can come about without both intensive technical prep & a strong team ethos either. Still early days, but Justin Langer seems to be having a positive influence on this group.

Maybe Glenn Maxwell was a bit hard done by in not getting the chance to prove himself on the 'A' tour recently, but, honestly, despite that century in India, he gives off a pretty flaky vibe as a Test player.
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Maybe Glenn Maxwell was a bit hard done by in not getting the chance to prove himself on the 'A' tour recently, but, honestly, despite that century in India, he gives off a pretty flaky vibe as a Test player.
Aside from Khawaja, he is the only selectable Australian batsman who has made a test century in Asia in the last 3 years, made 700 runs @50 in his most recent FC season, and he is considered the 'flakey' one and more of a risk over the likes of Mmarsh, Smarsh, & debutants Finch, Labuschagne & Head? Alrighty then. Clearly no one takes heed of first class records, and just go off highlights from t-20 performances.

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