Pakistan v Australia

[square leg umpire]

Originally Posted by Sir Coolerking

That's a truly marvellous calypso collapso. Effectively all out for 60 having been 142-0.

Square Leg Umpire has a lot to answer for!!

Certainly put the mockers on the Aussies. After a good opening stand nothing.

[Ali TT]

Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3

Pakistan being 7th reinforces my point - they are incredibly tough to beat in the UAE and the ranking weighting means teams losing there get their rating hammered for it.

It's probably just you and the summer intern who came up with the test championship idea that care so deeply about it.

[MRNC4.0]

The only thing surprising about todays collapse was that it took so long to happen, and i'm sure JL will blame Khawaja for the collapse when he needs a reason to drop him in january so his dear ball tampering pet Bancroft can assume his position as opener and dual vice captain along with the eternally disappointing Mitch Marsh. Because if theres one thing more corrupt than the Republican party, it's the Australia selection committee and coach. Bravo to Travis Head & Lambushlasange on their debuts, what does it matter if they got ducks, as i'm sure they train smart, which is the sole priority of being an Australian test player now along with how many 30's, or 50's or whichever parameters they assign to their selection policy but lets not go too high as counting above ten is cleary a problem for the Booze and Concussion addled brains of Justin Langer, he the anointed saviour of Australian cricket who has both managed to be worse than Lehmann, and made me pine for the 'happy' days of Homeworkgate & Micky Arthur. What alternate dark reality do we live in wherein selecting Glenn Maxwell, aka the ONLY selectable player of the last two years who has scored a test century in Asia, is deemed as more of a risk than playing Finch and a pair of green debutants? Not only that, but they excluded Matthew Renshaw, perhaps the only Australian player capable of batting time ahead of a t-20 specialist and a PAIR OF DEBUTANTS WHO HAPPENED TO SCORE A PAIR due to 'conditions'? Pat Howard is a cancer on Australia cricket, and Justin Langer is the off shoot of the virus. Go Pakistan, grind them into the dirt.

[geoff_boycotts_grandmother]

I have a theory that Australia are fielding a duff side so not to destroy the confidence of their Ashes XI.

I'd be interested in what would be MRNC/theDon's XI for the Ashes and how many of those players are in the current XI.

[MRNC4.0]

Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother

I have a theory that Australia are fielding a duff side so not to destroy the confidence of their Ashes XI.

I'd be interested in what would be MRNC/theDon's XI for the Ashes and how many of those players are in the current XI.

If only that were true. No doubt it heightens the reputations of Maxwell and Renshaw (at least amongst the sane members of the public), but you flatter those in charge if you assume that they are even aware or cognizant of a greater plan, they are all morons, void of intellect or nous. Australia don't have world class batsman anymore, no world class keeper, no world class coach, management or backroom staff, and whatever world class bowlers we have are disillusioned, disgruntled, disaffected and probably complicit in being cheats and are forever being tarred as such. There is no unity, no cohesion, no belief, no public backing, interest or love or trust. This Australian team is barely a shell of a cricketing side, they are soulless from head to toe. I'm done with them, I hope they die out and England reinstate the Ashes involving New Zealand or someone else worthy of the title of participating in such a series, because Australia sure don't. They are a ghost of a team, and represent the last desperate fart of a dying corpse. Go Pakistan.

[aNarcHy2day]

Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3

Pakistan being 7th reinforces my point - they are incredibly tough to beat in the UAE and the ranking weighting means teams losing there get their rating hammered for it.

England and Australia are the two teams that haven't had a great time in the UAE. New Zealand have gone to two tours and drawn both of them. South Africa have gone on two tours and have drawn both of them. Sri Lanka has gone on 3 tours and drawn 2 and won 1.

[thedon]

Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother

I have a theory that Australia are fielding a duff side so not to destroy the confidence of their Ashes XI

I realise this comment is in jest, but as conspiracy theories go, it's up there with "the moon landing hoax" lol. I wish it was so, but sadly...

Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother

I'd be interested in what would be MRNC/theDon's XI for the Ashes and how many of those players are in the current XI.

Not much to choose from but below is probably the best I can think of. We no longer have much in the way of world class batsmen to choose from, but even so our batting line up for this tour is probably the worst I have ever seen represent Aus (on paper at least).

Renshaw
Burns
Khawaja
SMarsh
Maxwell
Ferguson
Paine
Cummins
Pattinson
Hazlewood
Lyon

Langer to be mutinied and made walk the plank. Ponting to take over as coach.
No Starc until he gets a pacemaker. No MMarsh till he gets some ability (and gets his average out of the 20's).

[thedon]

Originally Posted by MRNC4.0

The only thing surprising about todays collapse was that it took so long to happen, and i'm sure JL will blame Khawaja for the collapse when he needs a reason to drop him in january so his dear ball tampering pet Bancroft can assume his position as opener and dual vice captain along with the eternally disappointing Mitch Marsh. Because if theres one thing more corrupt than the Republican party, it's the Australia selection committee and coach. Bravo to Travis Head & Lambushlasange on their debuts, what does it matter if they got ducks, as i'm sure they train smart, which is the sole priority of being an Australian test player now along with how many 30's, or 50's or whichever parameters they assign to their selection policy but lets not go too high as counting above ten is cleary a problem for the Booze and Concussion addled brains of Justin Langer, he the anointed saviour of Australian cricket who has both managed to be worse than Lehmann, and made me pine for the 'happy' days of Homeworkgate & Micky Arthur. What alternate dark reality do we live in wherein selecting Glenn Maxwell, aka the ONLY selectable player of the last two years who has scored a test century in Asia, is deemed as more of a risk than playing Finch and a pair of green debutants? Not only that, but they excluded Matthew Renshaw, perhaps the only Australian player capable of batting time ahead of a t-20 specialist and a PAIR OF DEBUTANTS WHO HAPPENED TO SCORE A PAIR due to 'conditions'? Pat Howard is a cancer on Australia cricket, and Justin Langer is the off shoot of the virus. Go Pakistan, grind them into the dirt.

It is a bit of a concern that the gnome has left Renshaw out. According to rumours they don't get on. Let's hope it's only unfounded rumours. Not to mention the continuation of the Maxwell snubbing. Always going to be some changes with a new coach, but there is more than a bit of wierdness in selections lately that could be (mis)construed as a Langer "mates/yes men" club. Then again G Chapel is selector. Great player in his day but...(Beer...Doherty...)

[Sir Virgs and Zamora]

Originally Posted by MRNC4.0

If only that were true. No doubt it heightens the reputations of Maxwell and Renshaw (at least amongst the sane members of the public), but you flatter those in charge if you assume that they are even aware or cognizant of a greater plan, they are all morons, void of intellect or nous. Australia don't have world class batsman anymore, no world class keeper, no world class coach, management or backroom staff, and whatever world class bowlers we have are disillusioned, disgruntled, disaffected and probably complicit in being cheats and are forever being tarred as such. There is no unity, no cohesion, no belief, no public backing, interest or love or trust. This Australian team is barely a shell of a cricketing side, they are soulless from head to toe. I'm done with them, I hope they die out and England reinstate the Ashes involving New Zealand or someone else worthy of the title of participating in such a series, because Australia sure don't. They are a ghost of a team, and represent the last desperate fart of a dying corpse. Go Pakistan.

Yeah but the big bash looks fun so all is good with Aussie cricket.

[Sir Coolerking]

Surely Smith returns to the Ashes XI, and dare I say it Warner too? Although he can expect to cop Broad like abuse (and be significantly more deserving of it).

[thedon]

Originally Posted by Sir Coolerking

Surely Smith returns to the Ashes XI, and dare I say it Warner too? Although he can expect to cop Broad like abuse (and be significantly more deserving of it).

Too right Coolerking. Had gotten used to not even considering Smitty. No Warner until he either has the lobotomy reversed, or gets another. Ferguson deserves a a reasonable go, so unless he makes himself undroppable Smarsh to miss out.

ps. though no doubt you will be right in both instances.

[Summer of '77]

Originally Posted by Sir Coolerking

Surely Smith returns to the Ashes XI, and dare I say it Warner too?

I would hope they'd go for the best available....considering that some of us will have to sell a vital organ in order to afford a Lord's Test ticket.

[Sir Virgs and Zamora]

Why did Pakistan decide to bat again? Surely they should have tried to stamp on them while they were down?

[cabinboy]

Originally Posted by thedon

I realise this comment is in jest, but as conspiracy theories go, it's up there with "the moon landing hoax" lol. I wish it was so, but sadly...



Not much to choose from but below is probably the best I can think of. We no longer have much in the way of world class batsmen to choose from, but even so our batting line up for this tour is probably the worst I have ever seen represent Aus (on paper at least).

Renshaw
Burns
Khawaja
SMarsh
Maxwell
Ferguson
Paine
Cummins
Pattinson
Hazlewood
Lyon

Langer to be mutinied and made walk the plank. Ponting to take over as coach.
No Starc until he gets a pacemaker. No MMarsh till he gets some ability (and gets his average out of the 20's).

No Handscomb? I’d have him ahead of S Marsh any day.

[Jock McTuffnel v3]

Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

Why did Pakistan decide to bat again? Surely they should have tried to stamp on them while they were down?

Probably the heat. Also they have plenty time..

[thedon]

Originally Posted by cabinboy

No Handscomb? I’d have him ahead of S Marsh any day.

I wouldn't find it that unreasonable if Handscomb were picked but would prefer Ferguson and Maxwell. Either way he isn't going to be in the top four and as Coolerking has mentioned, Smith will be back and probably bat at 4 anyway so no need for Smarsh.

[Chin Music]

Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3

Probably the heat. Also they have plenty time..

It is always about making sure the bowlers are fresh. Sure, it would have been unlikely that Australia would have much cleared the follow-on but it is ensuring that the bowlers are good to go again a few days later.

[Jock McTuffnel v3]

Originally Posted by Chin Music

It is always about making sure the bowlers are fresh. Sure, it would have been unlikely that Australia would have much cleared the follow-on but it is ensuring that the bowlers are good to go again a few days later.

Pitch appears to be going downhill too - taking more spin.

Can't imagine they will bat past tea though.

[sweatysock]

re the follow-on - think they know the pitch deteriorates and they didnt want to be chasing, say, 120 on final day, which may be unlikely given the Aussie batting , but possible

[thedon]

It's unlikely we would make them bat again (who knows) but I'm still not seeing why they would enforce the follow on when they've got 5 days to dominate and rub it into us.