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Old 13th October 2015, 17:51   #101
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So has Ian Bell cost twice as many runs on day one of this series with his "fielding" as he scored all series with his "batting" in 2012? Double century needed methinks
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Old 13th October 2015, 17:53   #102
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I was going to point out that a certain SK Warne was little quicker than that generally but god knows where you start with the differences in terms of accuracy, in-drift, revs on the ball as well as some of what you say. That said I'd start to judge him on a fair few more spells in tests than this.

From what I had seen of Rashid previously I doubted whether he had enough of a basic legspinner to be successful in tests but England are in a situation where there isn't exactly a queue of spinners waiting to step in.

Where is Paulsre with his mention of Bradley Wadlan?
Rashid seems to bowl a lot with a scrambled seam. Still gets good turn but is this why he gets less drift and dip?

Warne and Swann probably the two spinners I can recall who got the most drift and dip and they used to bowl without scrambling the seam (most of the time).
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Old 13th October 2015, 19:07   #103
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These missed no-balls are costing Pak. I don't know why 3rd umpire can't watch and call it live, or almost live when it's really close. The batsmen lose the opportunity to go for a slog in response but at least they get the extra run.

I have no sympathy for the non-wicket. Everyone knew Broad was overstepping before it happened, it's entirely his fault for doing it again.
It seemed on the replay he landed ok then slid forward. Another point for Bob on the verdict?
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Old 13th October 2015, 20:12   #104
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It seemed on the replay he landed ok then slid forward. Another point for Bob on the verdict?
No, he landed on the line and slid forward. The line is about an inch thick or more. Definite no ball.
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Old 13th October 2015, 20:31   #105
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Must admit I am beginning to join the Bell out crowd, that's before he's even batted. Time he got his act together. Unless he gets big runs he should go at once.
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Old 13th October 2015, 21:22   #106
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Driving to work Geoffrey was saying how average Malik was. Cue me thinking he'll end up scoring a ton then!
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Old 13th October 2015, 21:31   #107
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It looked very tough cricket from what I've seen and England will rue the missed chances I feel. It's a shame that nobody was there to watch it, I know it wouldn't be a good idea for this series, but I never understood why they never repeated the experiment of Pakistan playing home games in England where they'd have lots of support, even if it's at some of the non-Test match venues.
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Old 13th October 2015, 21:37   #108
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It looked very tough cricket from what I've seen and England will rue the missed chances I feel. It's a shame that nobody was there to watch it, I know it wouldn't be a good idea for this series, but I never understood why they never repeated the experiment of Pakistan playing home games in England where they'd have lots of support, even if it's at some of the non-Test match venues.
I think the spot fixing scandal put paid to that idea Sharky. Maybe some bridges will be built next summer with Pakistan touring England for the first time since 2010.
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I'm sensing there's no love left for Ian Bell.
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Old 13th October 2015, 21:46   #110
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I think the spot fixing scandal put paid to that idea Sharky. Maybe some bridges will be built next summer with Pakistan touring England for the first time since 2010.
True, come to think of it I can remember Giles Clarke saying something along those lines. There was a very dodgy match I watched in the ODIs they played in that neutral series too. Still, I hope at some stage they can do it again over here. It could be a decent money-spinner for some of the smaller counties, even if it was a bit of a burden on the likes of Headingley iirc.
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Old 13th October 2015, 22:11   #111
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I still think he's ace. Everyone drops one every now and then, dashed unlucky to drop two in one day like that. Wouldn't be surprised if he scores 250.
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Back in Farty Towels today so only watching the last few hours of play. Need early breakthrough and restrict them to 350 max.
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I wonder what the record is for highest numbers of overs bowled in test cricket without bowling a maiden.
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Old 14th October 2015, 07:44   #114
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After a good, tight first few overs I'm afraid it's starting to go rather pear shaped. I thought that at the start that if England had got a couple of quick wickets that they would have an opportunity to bowl Pakistan out for not much over 350. I'm afraid that is looking a little folorn now to say the least.
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After a good, tight first few overs I'm afraid it's starting to go rather pear shaped. I thought that at the start that if England had got a couple of quick wickets that they would have an opportunity to bowl Pakistan out for not much over 350. I'm afraid that is looking a little folorn now to say the least.
Indeed. As with yesterday it is when the specialist spinner bowls.
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Old 14th October 2015, 07:57   #116
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I still think he's ace. Everyone drops one every now and then,
Yes, usually a fart and the air clears rapidly, Bell is not scoring enough runs and dropping catches, that's a bit more than "dropping one every now and then".

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I hope and pray this is Bell's final test. He is an embarrassment.

Edit: as a footnote I should add that Cook and Bayliss need to shoulder the blame for persisting with him at slip. Anyone who has watched him field there before should realise what a liability he is.
Isn't is some kind of group "seniority" thing where the new boys have to field close under the helmet and the senior players can stand at slip so they have it easy.......?

About time England shook a few lingering mentalities they have, have your best catchers (in that position) in at slip and if Bell doesn't fancy having to chase balls to the boundary or cross the pitch for left and right hand switches or at the end of overs, maybe he could volunteer for a close fielding position in front of the wicket...............


Game looking ominous for England, if the last series is anything to go by then England could already be neck deep in doo doo. Their highest score last tour was less I believe than Pakistan have already reached, in fact England didn't get to 200 FOUR times and this batting order has BIG question marks over Ali (as opener), Bairstow (experience, and lack of in conditions like UAE), Bell, Stokes and Buttler.


As for Rashid and Ali, not too surprised Rashid is more expensive, I think most would have guessed that may be the case. Begs the question why Rashid wasn't given a debut earlier when we were playing windies or the kiwis. Rashid now has conceded 0/100 off 21 overs compared to Anderson, Broad and Stokes' 4/102 off 44 overs - practically same runs, four more wickets and less than half the overs bowled.

Of course I could also ask why Wood? Could have played an extra bat, Stokes lower down the order and Root could have bowled any overs needed - six bowlers to bowl 337/4 off 100.4 overs beggars belief.
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I wonder what the record is for highest numbers of overs bowled in test cricket without bowling a maiden.
Not sure about that. But, Imran Tahir bowled 23 without a maiden against Australia a few years back, taking 0 for 180. He managed one maiden from 14 overs in the second innings as he took 0 for 80.
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I still think he's ace. Everyone drops one every now and then, dashed unlucky to drop two in one day like that. Wouldn't be surprised if he scores 250.
Were you on the cough medicine last night Sans?

In other news England are getting MURDERED out there. The fact that Pakistan are being allowed to score at nearly 3.5 an over is criminal. Both Englabd spinners have been a long way short of test standard.
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Not sure about that. But, Imran Tahir bowled 23 without a maiden against Australia a few years back, taking 0 for 180. He managed one maiden from 14 overs in the second innings as he took 0 for 80.
Nice. Who was the Aussie leggie who got smashed?
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