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Old 8th January 2015, 16:26   #761
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I had a grand time at the Test last year. As good a view as Lord's for 40% of the price and as many spare seats around me as for Kent v Derbyshire in April. No queues for the bogs or the Yorkshire Tea van, freedom to have a smoke without missing any of the play.
Try it on a busy day!

A few more posts for the Aussie domestic thread here. Count them up GBG
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Old 8th January 2015, 16:31   #762
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From 2007-2014 Australian domestic cricket had produced 30 pages on here. Clearly something is right - and I don't think it can just be lack of cricket because there's test matches going on around the world at the moment yet we're all still also talking about an Australian domestic competition!
More to do with England not playing at present and the number of domestic players competing methinks.
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Old 8th January 2015, 17:04   #763
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More to do with England not playing at present and the number of domestic players competing methinks.
Exactly.
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Old 8th January 2015, 17:28   #764
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More to do with England not playing at present and the number of domestic players competing methinks.
So you think we should get more domestic players playing in our domestic competition to revive interest?

I'd love to see something be done to address the saturation point, but with Giles Clarke going to be the ECB's man (or more accurately buffoon) with the ICC I see that as unlikely.
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Old 8th January 2015, 19:21   #765
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T20 finals day at Edgbaston is a hugely successful event.

Of course there are criticisms of our tournament but instead of just rubbishing it altogether I'd expect the English pundits and players over there to acknowledge that improvements can be made, and that the scheduling has never pleased everyone but stress that it is a popular tournament enjoyed by thousands of cricket fans. The idea of fitting it all in to a few weeks and bringing in big names is not one that appeals to me. I'm happy to see the regular county players being given a "chance to shine" and putting on a good show.

As Sir Virgs says, the weather is the problem. Big stars are not much of an attraction when huddling in track suits on the balcony waiting for the rain to stop.
There would still be room for a county game even with a short franchise competition. The thing England has in its advantage is that they can pick a period where usually no or little other international cricket is being played and can attract better overseas players. They shoot themselves in the foot by not taking advantage of it. We might laugh at the overseas players in the BBL but at least they have them, many teams in our T20 failed to fill their quota at all. Many of the world's best international players have played county cricket regardless of the weather, so I don't see why that should be an issue. If they are paid well and the competition excites them, they will come.
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Old 8th January 2015, 20:22   #766
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The weather issue is for families. Would a family book tickets in advance for a two hour drive to see it rain?

It gets cold in evenings here. It is not for the players, it is for the fans.
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Old 8th January 2015, 20:24   #767
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Re not signing overseas players - how many are we talking here? would an overseas player of the quality of Stephen parry be better than blooding young talent? Is an overseas player who has played about five competitive matches in five years better than a young local lad?
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Old 8th January 2015, 20:49   #768
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The weather issue is for families. Would a family book tickets in advance for a two hour drive to see it rain?

It gets cold in evenings here. It is not for the players, it is for the fans.
OK then, let's only have game in the South East then.
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There would still be room for a county game even with a short franchise competition. The thing England has in its advantage is that they can pick a period where usually no or little other international cricket is being played and can attract better overseas players. They shoot themselves in the foot by not taking advantage of it. We might laugh at the overseas players in the BBL but at least they have them, many teams in our T20 failed to fill their quota at all. Many of the world's best international players have played county cricket regardless of the weather, so I don't see why that should be an issue. If they are paid well and the competition excites them, they will come.
That wasn't my point. Players will go anywhere if they're paid enough. I was saying that I was happy just to watch the regular county players, which would usually include an overseas player anyway, and can't see the point in making it a "big star spectacular" event, especially with the weather. IPL is the glitziest t20 tournament on the planet and seems to be more about big stars, celebs and sponsors' "maximums" than the cricket I'm interested in. BBL from what I've seen this season is a good competition and is attracting large attendances. Why does England have to try to match these big tournaments? We're a smaller country with a lot of teams, hence venues closer together. And the venues are cricket grounds, not stadiums. One of the arguments against scheduling all the matches into a shorter time frame is that families or even individuals can't afford to go more than once a week but don't want to miss out on too many matches. It suits them to have a weekly slot for t20, and the schedule is easy to remember. Contra-arguments can of course be made. There is no easy answer. But I stick to my own preference not to copy the franchise tournaments.
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Kallis fails so Sydney will lose. This pitch is terrible and hardly anyone there on a Friday night. Odd.
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People keep arguing for a short two week event. Luckily in English summers we never get weeks where it rains non stop for a week. If we had a week long tournament and we had a damp 10 days then the whole tournament would be a waste of time and everyone would say how stupid it was to schedule such a thing.
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This pitch is terrible and hardly anyone there on a Friday night. Odd.
There seem to be some poor pitches in the BBL to go along with the real belters. Personally, i don't like T20 games that are low scoring. They don't encourage people to turn up, those we need to sell the game to want to see sixes flying everywhere!
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Old 9th January 2015, 10:51   #773
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There seem to be some poor pitches in the BBL to go along with the real belters. Personally, i don't like T20 games that are low scoring. They don't encourage people to turn up, those we need to sell the game to want to see sixes flying everywhere!
I am sure I heard comms say that this is the first ever cricket match here. Kallis was almost laughing trying to bat on it. That will surely not be enough runs but the Sydney bowlers could do some damage.
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There seem to be some poor pitches in the BBL to go along with the real belters. Personally, i don't like T20 games that are low scoring. They don't encourage people to turn up, those we need to sell the game to want to see sixes flying everywhere!
The question is, why we would want to sell the game to people who just want to see sixes flying everywhere? I thought that the powers that be want to see more people enjoying cricket, an equal contest between bat and ball.

And why would concerns for the absence of people we need to sell the game intrude on your own personal enjoyment of a low-scoring game?
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The question is, why we would want to sell the game to people who just want to see sixes flying everywhere? I thought that the powers that be want to see more people enjoying cricket, an equal contest between bat and ball.

And why would concerns for the absence of people we need to sell the game intrude on your own personal enjoyment of a low-scoring game?
Because T20 isn't cricket, it's a form of entertainment that generates money to pay for cricket. The more entertaining it is, the more money it generates, and the more money is available to pay for actual cricket the rest of the week.
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I am sure I heard comms say that this is the first ever cricket match here.
Cricket Archive confirms that to be the case.

Even the supposedly inferior T20 Blast doesn't gamble on virgin grounds!
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Because T20 isn't cricket, it's a form of entertainment that generates money to pay for cricket. The more entertaining it is, the more money it generates, and the more money is available to pay for actual cricket the rest of the week.
This is my take too. One-day cricket is like Dorian Gray's portrait, becoming ever more twisted and gruesome so that the original version can remain pure and unsullied. It's purpose is to raise income and so it must bend and contort in whatever manner is necessary to maintain its popular appeal. I'd rather it be in its ludicrous present incarnation than dead.
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The question is, why we would want to sell the game to people who just want to see sixes flying everywhere? I thought that the powers that be want to see more people enjoying cricket, an equal contest between bat and ball.

And why would concerns for the absence of people we need to sell the game intrude on your own personal enjoyment of a low-scoring game?
Participation is down, the crowds for T20 are down, international matches including Tests aren't getting sold out. Do you honestly think the key to the future of English cricket is to cater solely for the people who already like it? I can only see it slowly dying along with the rest of us.

It looks like Sky are extending their deal as they had an option for another two years, so it looks like there won't be any live cricket on terrestrial TV so the whole franchise thing is irrelevant anyway. I just thought it was an opportunity to try something else.
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T20 is a way of getting people into cricket. To start off with people want the excitement, then as they see more cricket they begin to understand the intricacies of the game.
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T20 is a way of getting people into cricket. To start off with people want the excitement, then as they see more cricket they begin to understand the intricacies of the game.
But do they, really? I know that's the hope. It doesn't seem to have worked with Indian fans who only want to watch their batsmen bat.
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