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Old 14th July 2007, 14:45   #1
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Angry South African cricket on the decline???

It just seems to me that the state of South African cricket is in a pretty bad state. There are too many old blokes and their bowling attack is just so predictable and has a sameness to it.

They badly lack a spinner and from what I've heard there are no quality spinners in the local scene at SA. If Polly retires and may be a few of the current bowlers get injured they are in real strife.

AB is one shining light though - hes a gun and a player of the future. They need 10 others like him - his attitude, enthusiasm and talent. Its a real shame to see SA not do too well recently. Hope it can pick up soon for them. Cheers
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Old 14th July 2007, 15:08   #2
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Agreed, the Saffers do appear to be declining somewhat, although it's inevitable with the retiring of Alan Donald and the aging of Pollock that the bowling becomes considerably weaker, especially with no decent spinners to take over when things get tough. Batting wise though, I think you're still pretty good at that.
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Old 14th July 2007, 16:21   #3
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There's that Tsbalalalalalalala guy, he's meant to be quite a good spinner I think.
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Old 14th July 2007, 22:06   #4
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Agreed, the Saffers do appear to be declining somewhat, although it's inevitable with the retiring of Alan Donald and the aging of Pollock that the bowling becomes considerably weaker, especially with no decent spinners to take over when things get tough. Batting wise though, I think you're still pretty good at that.
what has allan donald got to do with anything?
he has been retired for several years mate
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Old 14th July 2007, 22:19   #5
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what has allan donald got to do with anything?
he has been retired for several years mate
I know, but his loss was a massive blow to South Africas bowling attack. With him and Pollock around, the worlds batsmen feared South Africa. A decade on and one gone, and another in decline, it's rather different. Ntini and Nel won't quite inject the same fear.
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Old 15th July 2007, 04:43   #6
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I know, but his loss was a massive blow to South Africas bowling attack. With him and Pollock around, the worlds batsmen feared South Africa. A decade on and one gone, and another in decline, it's rather different. Ntini and Nel won't quite inject the same fear.
Maybe Dale Steyn (who's young and very quick) and the tall Morne Morkel could be the future for them in the pace stakes.
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Old 15th July 2007, 05:49   #7
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what has allan donald got to do with anything?
he has been retired for several years mate
Fanie de Villiers was a big loss for the South Africans as well when he retired... And when Graeme Pollock hung up his boots, they couldn't really replace him.
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Old 15th July 2007, 08:31   #8
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I know, but his loss was a massive blow to South Africas bowling attack. With him and Pollock around, the worlds batsmen feared South Africa. A decade on and one gone, and another in decline, it's rather different. Ntini and Nel won't quite inject the same fear.
ntini i would say a year or two back but he has seemed to gone off the boil a bit and as for nel,never been a grea fan of his!wish he would concentrate on his bowling rather than "chatting" to the batsmen and trying to intimidate them!
what a twerp!
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ntini i would say a year or two back but he has seemed to gone off the boil a bit and as for nel,never been a grea fan of his!wish he would concentrate on his bowling rather than "chatting" to the batsmen and trying to intimidate them!
what a twerp!
He is a twerp, but his record over the last year or two has been pretty impressive and he adds a bit of bite to the team in the way Brian Macmillan used to do. Steyn is a promising one, still a bit raw as is Morkel. Philander is has also started to generate a lot of talk locally and is seen as Pollock's successor as a line and length man who can get it to swing.

In the spin department, we still have problems though not quite as bleek as it looked 2 years ago. Harris made a somewhat impressive start to his test career, he's not going to rip through attacks but he looks like an actual spinner. On the younger side we have Tshabalala and Botha has returned from his ban and is looking good, though I'm not sure of his test credentials or his action's validity.

While things could be better, I don't think the team is decline, there are a lot of youngsters around and we recently had a very good summer/autumn vs NZ, Pak and India and reached #1 in the ODIs (obviously not a true reflection of the standings but hardly something a crap team could do).
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Steyn and Morkel may both be raw but there's definitely some impressive potential there. They're certainly not short of wicket keepers either!

Hasn't junior cricket in RSA had a bit of a boost recently?
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Talking of SA emerging players, our .... 'Emerging players' squad has just been sent to Aus. Here's the article and team:

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/south...ry/301764.html

South Africa Emerging Players Johan Botha (capt), Thami Tsolekile, Morne Morkel, Vernon Philander, Thandi Tshabalala, Alviro Petersen, Jean-Paul Duminy, Heino Kuhn (wk), Francois du Plessis, Friedel de Wet, Gulam Bodi, Yusuf Abdullah, Justin Ontong, Lennox Lonwabo Tsotsobe.

Vaughan VJ was in this squad but opted out with his decision to go Kolpak.

We also won our first game against the Aussies:

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/south...ry/302181.html

Morkel seems to have done fairly well: Morne Morkel stunned Australia when he dropped them to 3 for 8, including zeroes for the fancied top-order batsmen Mark Cosgrove, Ed Cowan and Luke Pomersbach.
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Also very interesting to see the coach:

The South Africa coach Kepler Wessels

Wonder if he took up the job to do some scouting for Northants
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Your right about their lack of a full time spinner. In the CWC2007, the main reason they lost to Bangladesh was the fact that they couldnt play spinners (as a team that is). Thats probably because they don't have a full time spinner within their usual team, hence minimal information about the opposition's attack.
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Old 17th July 2007, 11:46   #14
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SA also beat the Indian emerging players with Philander the star.
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Old 17th July 2007, 12:13   #15
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How are the batting stocks? It doesn't seem many younger players have been pushing for contention recently. The first choice saffer batting line up is good but it doesn't appear to have a great deal of strength in depth with the likes of Amla having been back in and out.
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Old 17th July 2007, 12:47   #16
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How are the batting stocks? It doesn't seem many younger players have been pushing for contention recently. The first choice saffer batting line up is good but it doesn't appear to have a great deal of strength in depth with the likes of Amla having been back in and out.
I think Duminy is their big batting hope for the future. He's young and has a good technique; is a leftie. Their other good young players seem to be more all-rounder types.
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Duminy is one. Vaughn van Jaarsveld was another seen as a long term prospect by the UCB but it seems he's committed to playing for England.
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Duminy is one. Vaughn van Jaarsveld was another seen as a long term prospect by the UCB but it seems he's committed to playing for England.
I've heard about that one (Van Jaarsveld) and that's just unbelievable.
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Old 17th July 2007, 19:40   #19
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they need a spinner not even a quality one but someone who could just spin the ball
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they need a spinner not even a quality one but someone who could just spin the ball
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