Cricket 24/7  

Welcome to the Cricket 24/7.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. There are also more forums available to members, such as the Lounge - where members chat about just about anything under the sun except cricket!

Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.


Go Back   Cricket 24/7 > Cricket Discussion Forums > Other International Teams
Register FAQDonate Members List Calendar Casino Articles Terms of Use Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 20th May 2010, 20:09   #1
A Newbie
Posting God
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 17,613
Match fixing Pakistan?

There could yet have been match fixing in Pakistan's recent tour of Australia- that extraordinary implosion at Sydney is the obvious game under the spotlight. Nothing to be taken away from Australia's superb come from behind ability of course, but we shall see exactly what transpired, no doubt..

http://www.cricinfo.com/pakistan/con...ry/460381.html
A Newbie is offline  
Old 21st May 2010, 00:41   #2
slop
Posting God
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Cambridge
Team(s): South Africa
Age: 42
Posts: 18,805
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Popodopolous View Post
but we shall see exactly what transpired, no doubt..
Think you're being optimistic there. Whatever the case, and I'm inclined to believe Pakistan simply imloded here until I see evidence otherwise, it's far from certain that we'll see anything conclusive about what actually transpired.
slop is offline  
Old 21st May 2010, 00:50   #3
A Newbie
Posting God
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 17,613
Quote:
Originally Posted by slop View Post
Think you're being optimistic there. Whatever the case, and I'm inclined to believe Pakistan simply imloded here until I see evidence otherwise, it's far from certain that we'll see anything conclusive about what actually transpired.
Of course, implosions such as those in the 4th Innings can happen. Then there were the negative tactics- they can also happen. Furthermore, a keeper can have a stinker of a match. For all of those to happen in the same Test though and after a 1st Innings lead of 200 runs or so, is a pretty rare occurence indeed, wouldn't you agree?

Perhaps you're right about the likelihood of finding out the truth, could have been more hope than expectation. If- and it is a massive If and also all conjecture at this stage of course- but if there was match fixing, I would hiope, as I'm sure we all would, that the ICC would be up front about it.
A Newbie is offline  
Old 21st May 2010, 01:59   #4
Rey
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Castleford
Team(s): Yorkshire
Posts: 14,312
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Popodopolous View Post
Of course, implosions such as those in the 4th Innings can happen. Then there were the negative tactics- they can also happen. Furthermore, a keeper can have a stinker of a match. For all of those to happen in the same Test though and after a 1st Innings lead of 200 runs or so, is a pretty rare occurence indeed, wouldn't you agree?
Pretty rare yes, but they're hardly mutually exclusive.

On a purely evidence-less basis, I'd call this a chinese whisper that has grown in the fertile ground of the shambles that is the PCB. Good luck to anyone trying to make proper sense of it
__________________
"He has sat on the fence so long that the iron has entered his soul."
Rey is offline  
Old 21st May 2010, 10:31   #5
Chin Music
Administrator
 
Chin Music's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: la sala de opinion equivocada
Team(s): ****
Posts: 24,427
I could sort of believe that maybe ODI games are subject to fixing here and there, because they linger so short in the memory, however the test match I tend to believe was an implosion.
Chin Music is online now  
Old 21st May 2010, 10:59   #6
slop
Posting God
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Cambridge
Team(s): South Africa
Age: 42
Posts: 18,805
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Popodopolous View Post
Of course, implosions such as those in the 4th Innings can happen. Then there were the negative tactics- they can also happen. Furthermore, a keeper can have a stinker of a match. For all of those to happen in the same Test though and after a 1st Innings lead of 200 runs or so, is a pretty rare occurence indeed, wouldn't you agree?
Not really. I'm sure sanskrit could put this better but a match where a team has lost a 200 run lead is fairly rare in the first place. Combine that with any other event that occurred during the match and you're going to get a unique set of events. And if you'd ever seen Kamran's keeping you wouldn't consider that a rare event!
slop is offline  
Old 21st May 2010, 11:18   #7
Chin Music
Administrator
 
Chin Music's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: la sala de opinion equivocada
Team(s): ****
Posts: 24,427
Quote:
Originally Posted by slop View Post
Not really. I'm sure sanskrit could put this better but a match where a team has lost a 200 run lead is fairly rare in the first place. Combine that with any other event that occurred during the match and you're going to get a unique set of events. And if you'd ever seen Kamran's keeping you wouldn't consider that a rare event!
Oh he could elongate it for sure.
Chin Music is online now  
Old 21st May 2010, 12:42   #8
stevieh
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Team(s): England, Kent, Canada
Posts: 7,145
Seems the issue here is players deliberately underperforming for political gain, rather than the more serious financial gain motive. Undermining the captain and the power base within the team seems to have been the verdict from the PCB, with the "guilty" parties having been suspended.
stevieh is offline  
Old 21st May 2010, 17:00   #9
slop
Posting God
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Cambridge
Team(s): South Africa
Age: 42
Posts: 18,805
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevieh View Post
Seems the issue here is players deliberately underperforming for political gain, rather than the more serious financial gain motive. Undermining the captain and the power base within the team seems to have been the verdict from the PCB, with the "guilty" parties having been suspended.
That's the thing that interested me out of this. It might shed more light on the life suspensions that were handed out. Some dissension in the ranks is one thing, but deliberately under performing to spite your captain or coach certainly justifies significant punishment.
slop is offline  
Old 21st May 2010, 22:28   #10
ddb
Established International
 
ddb's Avatar
http://www.cricket-match-special.com/
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,584
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9KU_...eature=related

1 min 32 Kamran's run out erm
__________________
"Well, like a few, creaking Terminators, we're back..."
Dravid on his and Sachin's return to Australia to lose 4-0.
ddb is offline  
Old 1st October 2010, 16:46   #11
Aidan11
Harmisonesque
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Somewhere cold and wet
Posts: 40,249
I'd forgotten about this thread.
Aidan11 is offline  
Old 1st October 2010, 21:11   #12
geoff_boycotts_grandmother
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 28,376
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aidan11 View Post
I'd forgotten about this thread.
I'm surprised no-one challenged the thread starter over the racist nature of the allegations.
geoff_boycotts_grandmother is offline  
Old 26th October 2010, 14:35   #13
Sue Ridge
Bat In Hand
 
Sue Ridge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Pyongyang, North Korea
Team(s): The mighty DPRK!
Posts: 15
Match fixing is a bad business and will destroy the sport. Players should be suspended for life, akin to what happened with the 1919 Black Sox in American baseball. Anyone who fixes anything in North Korea gets 50 years hard labour!
Sue Ridge is offline  
Old 6th January 2011, 05:54   #14
nghyu
Bat In Hand
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 5
Most of the Pakistan players are not well paid. They receive a very poor salary especially when compared to Indian and Australian players. Also the majority of them come from poor households. So their main aim is to make maximum money in the shortest possible time. That is the reason why they are engaging in match fixing.
__________________
clarks shoes
nghyu is offline  
Old 6th January 2011, 09:16   #15
Sir Virgs and Zamora
Posting God
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 21,555
Quote:
Originally Posted by nghyu View Post
Most of the Pakistan players are not well paid. They receive a very poor salary especially when compared to Indian and Australian players. Also the majority of them come from poor households. So their main aim is to make maximum money in the shortest possible time. That is the reason why they are engaging in match fixing.
That makes it okay then. I guess if I am struggling for cash I could go and rob a bank and use this as justification?
Sir Virgs and Zamora is online now  
Old 6th January 2011, 11:14   #16
slop
Posting God
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Cambridge
Team(s): South Africa
Age: 42
Posts: 18,805
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora View Post
That makes it okay then. I guess if I am struggling for cash I could go and rob a bank and use this as justification?


Maybe you should read what he actually wrote Sir V.
slop is offline  
Old 10th January 2011, 21:53   #17
Lizzy
World Class
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 6,354
Asif denies any role in the affair.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cric...an/9355983.stm
Lizzy is offline  
Old 11th January 2011, 21:59   #18
Rey
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Castleford
Team(s): Yorkshire
Posts: 14,312
I'll close this thread and copy Lizzy's post across, as we've got the main one in the International Forum.

http://www.cricket247.org/community/...ad.php?t=10431
__________________
"He has sat on the fence so long that the iron has entered his soul."
Rey is offline  
Closed Thread


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:53.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Cricket247.org