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Old 11th August 2007, 13:35   #101
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How can someone such as Thandi Tshabalala make the squad? He'll bet belted. Interesting that Kallis misses out.
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not really sure what kind of joke that.....Albie Morkel is obviously way better...

oh and no Justing O

the team i'd play:

Smith
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How can someone such as Thandi Tshabalala make the squad? He'll bet belted. Interesting that Kallis misses out.
i'd have picked Robbie P instead.
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Old 11th August 2007, 13:42   #104
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Thandi had a reasonable 2020 domestic season I think, which presumably was their thinking. Nevertheless to put an untried raw spinner into those circumstances...let's hope it doesn't backfire spectacularly. I'm with Maty and would have gone with Boats or Robbie P, both of whom can bat.

Quite surprised to see Hall out, especially with his ability at the death. Likewise Kallis with his recent spurt of big-hitting. Otherwise not too much wrong with the squad, some youngsters to try out, some experience to hold it together and no Telemachus...

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Old 11th August 2007, 13:43   #105
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An interesting article that all should read:

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/colum...ry/129193.html
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Old 11th August 2007, 13:47   #106
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Thandi had an excellent 2020 domestic season I think, which presumably was their thinking. Nevertheless to put an untried raw spinner into those circumstances...let's hope it doesn't backfire spectacularly. I'm with Maty and would have gone with Boats or Robbie P, both of whom can bat.

Quite surprised to see Hall out, especially with his ability at the death. Likewise Kallis with his recent spurt of big-hitting. Otherwise not too much wrong with the squad, some youngsters to try out, some experience to hold it together and no Telemachus...

Well no Telemachus has to be a bonus. Good to see a lot of countries giving some blokes who don't get much international exposure a run. Bodi would be another dodgy selection wouldn't he? I remember he got selected for the Pakistan 20/20 but didn't get a hit. From what I've seen of your domestic cricket he's solid without setting the world on fire. I would have thought that Hall would have been a handy bowler anywhere in the set-up and it's not as if he can't bat.

Interestingly Kemp is a bit hitter but usually takes a while to warm up from what I can observe.
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Thandi had a reasonable 2020 domestic season I think, which presumably was their thinking. Nevertheless to put an untried raw spinner into those circumstances...let's hope it doesn't backfire spectacularly. I'm with Maty and would have gone with Boats or Robbie P, both of whom can bat.

Quite surprised to see Hall out, especially with his ability at the death. Likewise Kallis with his recent spurt of big-hitting. Otherwise not too much wrong with the squad, some youngsters to try out, some experience to hold it together and no Telemachus...
should have picked Justin for his spin bowling ability like we used to

if only they picked him as a batter....he would flourish!
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Old 11th August 2007, 14:24   #108
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Well no Telemachus has to be a bonus. Good to see a lot of countries giving some blokes who don't get much international exposure a run. Bodi would be another dodgy selection wouldn't he? I remember he got selected for the Pakistan 20/20 but didn't get a hit. From what I've seen of your domestic cricket he's solid without setting the world on fire. I would have thought that Hall would have been a handy bowler anywhere in the set-up and it's not as if he can't bat.

Interestingly Kemp is a bit hitter but usually takes a while to warm up from what I can observe.
Bodi's been around for a while and, as you said, has been consistently solid. After a fairly good Emerging Players trophy and a decent 2020 campaign last season I'm not too worried by his selection. He's a decent player and had as much chance as several others of getting into this squad. He also played for SA U-19.

Hall would've been handy but I presume they've decided instead to rest him for the upcoming international schedule. Kemp I'm not too happy about. As you've said he takes a while to get going, which you can't really afford in 2020, and he's had a very poor record recently. I have no doubt he's an excellent striker but I don't think he deserves a spot in this squad and especially with the whole quota malarkey I'd have preferred his place be taken by someone else.
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Hey Saffers...

With all the arguments about Prior raging on other threads, can you tell me what the score was with Boucher in the early days? Was he in the team because he was regarded as the best keeper or because he could bat as well? Was there a better keeper who couldn't bat around at the time? And did people turn on him when he dropped catches early on in his career?
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People turned on Prior when he dropped catch, singular.
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Old 11th August 2007, 15:42   #111
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Hey Saffers...

With all the arguments about Prior raging on other threads, can you tell me what the score was with Boucher in the early days? Was he in the team because he was regarded as the best keeper or because he could bat as well? Was there a better keeper who couldn't bat around at the time? And did people turn on him when he dropped catches early on in his career?

I'm not a Saffer but I recall Boucher replacing Richardson. At the time it was reported he was a very good batsman for a keeper but over the years he's improved with the gloves and is a more than adequate gloveman.

AB has also looked good as a keeper but they may lose something in the field if he supersedes Boucher in that position. Morne van Wyk is another who keeps and is a decent bat. There seem to be a plethora of keepers in SA who can handle the bat and keep to a decent standard.

In Australia we also have a few with Haddin likely to replace Gilchrist even though he's getting on in years. There are a few others on the horizon though.

I wonder if England (and others) have fallen victim to the Gilly factor, i.e. the need to have a gun batsman behind the stumps.
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Old 12th August 2007, 04:45   #113
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Looks like SA 'A' will roll Zimbabwe. They're 1 for 44 chasing 132. Harris wrecked the Zims with 4/38 with an economy rate of under two. Hall also did well with the ball.
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Looks like SA 'A' will roll Zimbabwe. They're 1 for 44 chasing 132. Harris wrecked the Zims with 4/38 with an economy rate of under two. Hall also did well with the ball.
Good to see though I imagine the next game will be far more one-sided now that the saffers are warmed up.

I'm quite happy with the 20/20 squad. A bit surprised that they had the guts to leave Kallis out but good move. A bit more surprised with Hall's exclusion but it looks like there is a youth slant to this squad and I'm quite keen to see how Morkel, Philander and your man Van Der Wath can handle it. With Pollock in as well, Halls batting won't necessarily be missed. I imagine that's why they picked Tshabalala over Peterson, as he is seen as having much more potential.

Botha is unlucky to miss out but he is more of a slow bowler than a spinner and is less likely to take wickets, I think.
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Hey Saffers...

With all the arguments about Prior raging on other threads, can you tell me what the score was with Boucher in the early days? Was he in the team because he was regarded as the best keeper or because he could bat as well? Was there a better keeper who couldn't bat around at the time? And did people turn on him when he dropped catches early on in his career?
Midnight's pretty much covered it.

With SA's weak batting, especially at that time, the keeper was always going to be one that could bat. Boucher got selected just ahead of Pothas who had just had a storming season but I think Boucher had been earmarked for the role already having proved himself as a batsman earlier. There were others like Paul Kirsten - who was a better keepre - around but those two were the front-runners due to their batting.

Boucher's keeping was a bit weak but he saved us so many times with vital 50s that his batting far outweighed the mistakes and since then he's improved his glovework to a very good standard though not perfect.
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Midnight's pretty much covered it.

With SA's weak batting, especially at that time, the keeper was always going to be one that could bat. Boucher got selected just ahead of Pothas who had just had a storming season but I think Boucher had been earmarked for the role already having proved himself as a batsman earlier. There were others like Paul Kirsten - who was a better keepre - around but those two were the front-runners due to their batting.

Boucher's keeping was a bit weak but he saved us so many times with vital 50s that his batting far outweighed the mistakes and since then he's improved his glovework to a very good standard though not perfect.
Thanks Slop - interesting.
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Midnight's pretty much covered it.

With SA's weak batting, especially at that time, the keeper was always going to be one that could bat. Boucher got selected just ahead of Pothas who had just had a storming season but I think Boucher had been earmarked for the role already having proved himself as a batsman earlier. There were others like Paul Kirsten - who was a better keepre - around but those two were the front-runners due to their batting.

Boucher's keeping was a bit weak but he saved us so many times with vital 50s that his batting far outweighed the mistakes and since then he's improved his glovework to a very good standard though not perfect.
Actually what was interesting about those days was the strength of the SA tail, Donald aside. Quite often they were about 5 down but we used to joke that the batting began. Guys like Boucher, Klusener, Pollock and Symcox would invariably make runs and bail them out. In fact it seems to be a SA tradition to have a strong tail though if Nel, Ntini and Langeveldt play in the same team this theory can go out the window. Botha if he plays seems to be able to handle the bat pretty well though and has a sound temperament.
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Actually what was interesting about those days was the strength of the SA tail, Donald aside. Quite often they were about 5 down but we used to joke that the batting began. Guys like Boucher, Klusener, Pollock and Symcox would invariably make runs and bail them out. In fact it seems to be a SA tradition to have a strong tail though if Nel, Ntini and Langeveldt play in the same team this theory can go out the window. Botha if he plays seems to be able to handle the bat pretty well though and has a sound temperament.
Philander could be useful too. We have had a tail a little longer than usual recently which is why Pollock and Boucher are so important, especially in tests with Thandi and Harris having no batting ability.
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SA beat Zim by 8 wickets with van Wyk making 63* and Harris making 40 as a nightwatchman.
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