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Old 12th January 2018, 14:58   #421
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I think we all knew that without Stokes in the side the balance was completely blown and we were either going to struggle with batting or bowling (or both).

Had The Sun not published the video, would we still be wondering if he's going to be charged 6 months later?
Those who think Stokes is better than he actually is may have thought that. Others will think his absence probably made little difference.

Who knows what may have happened had the incident not been publicised? An investigation may still have been launched based upon a complaint to the police. The video merely adds to the quantity and the quality of the evidence.
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Old 12th January 2018, 15:07   #422
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You seem to have lost it today. The police arrested and charged him which is all they can do. Now it's out of their hands.
Ah yes, of course. The latest massively dilatory stage of the process is not a police matter. Apologies to any rozzers present.
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Old 12th January 2018, 16:30   #423
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Those who think Stokes is better than he actually is may have thought that. Others will think his absence probably made little difference.

Who knows what may have happened had the incident not been publicised? An investigation may still have been launched based upon a complaint to the police. The video merely adds to the quantity and the quality of the evidence.
The difference Stokes makes most of all is pushing Bairstow to 7 and Moeen to 8. Stokes is one of our few bats with a decent record on Aussie pitches (both Tests and T20's). I have no doubt we'd have lost the series but the 4-0 might have been 3 or even 2.

If an official complaint had been made by the 'victim' he'd have been charged long ago. Clearly it hasn't as the 'victim' is unlikely to be seen in a good light if he's dragged into Court. In fact, I'm guessing the main issue for CPS is the fact the 'victim' is unlikely to be much use to them and more likely a negative influence.
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Old 12th January 2018, 18:35   #424
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I think we all knew that without Stokes in the side the balance was completely blown and we were either going to struggle with batting or bowling (or both).

Had The Sun not published the video, would we still be wondering if he's going to be charged 6 months later?


I'm uncomfortable with someone being punished (Strauss has banned him from the biggest series of his career - there may be other Ashes series, but he won't get another Ashes series in Australia in his prime years) without the opportunity to put forward their defence. It's contrary to the rules of natural justice.
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Old 13th January 2018, 01:02   #425
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Don't be daft. The British police do what they want. Who's going to stop them? They are all freemasons and effectively they've been on strike in a huff ever since it was revealed that they're institutionally racist.
Its going off topic but it sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to the police. All I can say is that I hope you enjoyed cowering behind your curtains in 2011 when the Police commanders failed to protect the public during the first two nights of the London riots. You got a brief glimpse there of what would happen if the Police did go on strike. Was actually quite hilarious seeing loud mouthed criminal apologist London Liberals who constantly slate the police begging for their help instead.

There's problems with the Police in every country. However, considering the vermin they are generally dealing with I suggest you give them a break. The Police didn't decide to go on a stabbing spree over NYE in which 4 young men were stabbed to death. Had they stopped and searched instead they may have prevented these deaths. However, you would have been jumping around claiming institutionalised racism no doubt. They just can't win.

As for Stokes, yes, had that been me or you, then dare I say the courts (not the Police) would have had us probably given a hefty fine or a suspended sentence by now. Should that stop him from playing for England? Course it shouldn't. Should every single person who steps on the wrong side of the law lose their job? Of course depends on the severity of the crime but plenty of people have been convicted, paid the price and then gone on to become better civilians. Most of us have done something stupid in our adult lives and gotten away with it. So lets not be too harsh on those who do step over the line occasionally.
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Old 13th January 2018, 04:12   #426
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http://www.theage.com.au/sport/crick...12-h0hhlt.html

Interesting take on the contemporary clashes for the Ashes.
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Old 13th January 2018, 09:35   #427
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The difference Stokes makes most of all is pushing Bairstow to 7 and Moeen to 8. Stokes is one of our few bats with a decent record on Aussie pitches (both Tests and T20's). I have no doubt we'd have lost the series but the 4-0 might have been 3 or even 2.
We'll never know. Many would think that unlikely

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If an official complaint had been made by the 'victim' he'd have been charged long ago. Clearly it hasn't as the 'victim' is unlikely to be seen in a good light if he's dragged into Court. In fact, I'm guessing the main issue for CPS is the fact the 'victim' is unlikely to be much use to them and more likely a negative influence.
Are you really saying that the police pursue charges following all complaints made to them?

I don't know if the victim made a complaint or not. Perhaps, given the video evidence, he felt there was no need. He may even decide not to appear as a prosecution witness at any trial.
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I'm uncomfortable with someone being punished (Strauss has banned him from the biggest series of his career - there may be other Ashes series, but he won't get another Ashes series in Australia in his prime years) without the opportunity to put forward their defence. It's contrary to the rules of natural justice.
Indeed, anyone would be uncomfortable with that - if that were the case. However, Stokes will be allowed a defence at both an ECB disciplinary and any court hearing.

Clearly, Stokes could not be selected to play with this investigation hanging over his head, so how has he been punished? Has the ECB stopped any of his central contract money or prevented him plying his trade elsewhere?
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Old 13th January 2018, 11:27   #429
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Clearly, Stokes could not be selected to play with this investigation hanging over his head,

Why not?
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Old 13th January 2018, 14:24   #430
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Why not?
I've heard some juicy rumours surrounding the Stokes/Hales incident that will be revealed soon. Doesn't paint either in flattering light, with Hales as the main protagonist and the excuse that they were 'defending a gay couple' as utterly fabricated. A lot worse than initially thought.

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I've heard some juicy rumours surrounding the Stokes/Hales incident that will be revealed soon. Doesn't paint either in flattering light, with Hales as the main protagonist and the excuse that they were 'defending a gay couple' as utterly fabricated. A lot worse than initially thought.
Must have heard the same juicy rumours. Dont think it will be revealed though.
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Must have heard the same rumours. Dont think it will be revealed though.
Media paid off? Surely Stokes can't be exonerated now though.
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Media paid off? Surely Stokes can't be exonerated now though.
I thought witnesses paid off.
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I thought witnesses paid off.
I see, yes, seems likely.
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Its going off topic but it sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to the police. All I can say is that I hope you enjoyed cowering behind your curtains in 2011 when the Police commanders failed to protect the public during the first two nights of the London riots. You got a brief glimpse there of what would happen if the Police did go on strike. Was actually quite hilarious seeing loud mouthed criminal apologist London Liberals who constantly slate the police begging for their help instead.

There's problems with the Police in every country. However, considering the vermin they are generally dealing with I suggest you give them a break. The Police didn't decide to go on a stabbing spree over NYE in which 4 young men were stabbed to death. Had they stopped and searched instead they may have prevented these deaths. However, you would have been jumping around claiming institutionalised racism no doubt. They just can't win. ...
Didn't mean to poke you in the eye, old boy. I'm biased because almost every time I've dealt with a policeperson s/he has taken the opportunity to behave like a vindictive @rsehole. Maybe I've just been unlucky. Also they seem to have made no attempt to stop people routinely breaking the highway code. The standard of road manners has degenerated massively in recent years, and it affects everybody. Old ladies can't even walk to the corner shop without being nearly run over by cyclists on the pavement, driven there by idiots driving hired minibuses (aka 'cars'). As you probably know, if a normal citizen politely requests someone on wheels to behave respectfully, they usually simply threaten violence in return.
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Old 14th January 2018, 07:00   #436
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Australia's batting woes in this format continue.
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304 isn't too bad?
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...Clearly, Stokes could not be selected to play with this investigation hanging over his head...
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Old 15th January 2018, 11:43   #440
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Its going off topic but it sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to the police. All I can say is that I hope you enjoyed cowering behind your curtains in 2011 when the Police commanders failed to protect the public during the first two nights of the London riots. You got a brief glimpse there of what would happen if the Police did go on strike. Was actually quite hilarious seeing loud mouthed criminal apologist London Liberals who constantly slate the police begging for their help instead.

There's problems with the Police in every country. However, considering the vermin they are generally dealing with I suggest you give them a break. The Police didn't decide to go on a stabbing spree over NYE in which 4 young men were stabbed to death. Had they stopped and searched instead they may have prevented these deaths. However, you would have been jumping around claiming institutionalised racism no doubt. They just can't win.

As for Stokes, yes, had that been me or you, then dare I say the courts (not the Police) would have had us probably given a hefty fine or a suspended sentence by now. Should that stop him from playing for England? Course it shouldn't. Should every single person who steps on the wrong side of the law lose their job? Of course depends on the severity of the crime but plenty of people have been convicted, paid the price and then gone on to become better civilians. Most of us have done something stupid in our adult lives and gotten away with it. So lets not be too harsh on those who do step over the line occasionally.
I didn't see this post coming.

I also didn't see it being pro-Police when it started out "when the Police commanders failed to protect the public".

Are you a copper Stonesfan?
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