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Old 25th September 2013, 01:32   #1
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Chris Woakes

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so far 590 runs at 53.63 and 28 wickets at 23.64

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"It was obviously a disappointment. I didn't expect to be in the squad 100% but I thought I had a little sniff," said Woakes who finished on 102 not out. "It is now a matter of taking wickets, scoring runs and hopefully my time will come."

Usurped by Durham's Ben Stokes for the all-rounder role in England's 17-man touring party to Australia, Woakes may now feature for Wellington in New Zealand domestic cricket, as he did last winter. His reply of maybe to their initial inquiry two months ago was based on a desire to be elsewhere.
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I would say that it is now quite likely he will go to New Zealand.
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They are fairly compelling statistics. (Stats normally tend to be misleading though!) But i'm fast coming to the conclusion that the county championship is no longer being used as a barometer for international selection.
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Old 25th September 2013, 08:25   #3
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They are fairly compelling statistics. (Stats normally tend to be misleading though!) But i'm fast coming to the conclusion that the county championship is no longer being used as a barometer for international selection.
It hasn't been for some time though, has it? It is a factor in the decision, but only a small one.
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It hasn't been for some time though, has it? It is a factor in the decision, but only a small one.
Which is why the selectors need to stop saying "go back to county cricket and perform"
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Old 25th September 2013, 11:05   #5
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Woakes impresses me!
In the last test I was surprised at his bowling speed - mid 80's. I still beleive this to be his stronger suit, however, he looked a proper batsman at ease batting at six in an Ashes Test.
I do not know how Stokes has leap frogged him in the pecking order. He is only a semi-regular bowler for his County (OK, he is improving and IMO did well in ODI's) but his batting appeared "rustic" in ODI's - admittedly probably because he was 8 and had to have a "whack-a-day".
A future of Woakes, Butler & Stokes (any order) at 6, 7, 8 - is exciting.
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Old 25th September 2013, 11:24   #6
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Woakes impresses me!
In the last test I was surprised at his bowling speed - mid 80's. I still beleive this to be his stronger suit, however, he looked a proper batsman at ease batting at six in an Ashes Test.
I do not know how Stokes has leap frogged him in the pecking order. He is only a semi-regular bowler for his County (OK, he is improving and IMO did well in ODI's) but his batting appeared "rustic" in ODI's - admittedly probably because he was 8 and had to have a "whack-a-day".
A future of Woakes, Butler & Stokes (any order) at 6, 7, 8 - is exciting.
Its marginal now. I've thought for a long time that he'd end up slightly stronger with the bat than the ball. Winter off working with Welch on his bowling at Warwicks will do him the world of good because he really hasn't had much of that - and working with Welch can be transformational.

Hes been a proper batsman for a while now but the media - who don't watch 4 day county cricket - haven't realised.
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Old 25th September 2013, 11:26   #7
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Kim - agreed, but I think he will ply his trade in New Zealand.
I still beleive he should have played the Tests in NZ and Anderson have been rested
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If we didn't have the one day games after the Tests the selectors might have had four or five different players in the squad.

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4 matches 27.25/76.00 - Stokes
9 matches 54.71/24.23 - Woakes

Woakes' best Lions game when he was 20.
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Which is why the selectors need to stop saying "go back to county cricket and perform"
Would "go back to CC and not bother" be preferable?
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Kim - agreed, but I think he will ply his trade in New Zealand.
I still beleive he should have played the Tests in NZ and Anderson have been rested
Rested for what? He just had 3 months rest!!!
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Which is why the selectors need to stop saying "go back to county cricket and perform"
Indeed.
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Would "go back to CC and not bother" be preferable?
No, just plain honesty. Such as: "go back to your county but it doesnt matter how you perform cos we've like someone else anyway." At least everyone knows where they stand then.

(That is supposed to be tongue in cheek lest anyone thinks otherwise)
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1000YS - OK rested wrong terminology, how about rotated. In NZ conditions we should have played Woakes.
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1000YS - OK rested wrong terminology, how about rotated. In NZ conditions we should have played Woakes.
I don't think they were the normal NZ conditions anyway.
We could have played Woakes at number 6.

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No, just plain honesty. Such as: "go back to your county but it doesnt matter how you perform cos we've like someone else anyway." At least everyone knows where they stand then.

(That is supposed to be tongue in cheek lest anyone thinks otherwise)
I actually think Compton was considered quite strongly for this tour. Miller spoke to him and explained his reasons. If they genuinely had no interest in Compton, they may not have even given him this courtesy.
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I wonder if next year the daily telegraph fantasy cricket will class woakes as an all rounder. He has been a bowler forever.
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It's a shame Woakes has got injured before the West Indies tour. Does anyone know how long he is expected to be out for? Without him in the team it looks a little unbalanced.
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It's a shame Woakes has got injured before the West Indies tour. Does anyone know how long he is expected to be out for? Without him in the team it looks a little unbalanced.
In what way is it unbalanced?
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I assume he will be replaced by someone who can either bowl or bat, which will improve the balance of the side as we will be playing with XI rather than X.
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I assume he will be replaced by someone who can either bowl or bat, which will improve the balance of the side as we will be playing with XI rather than X.
More than slightly harsh. Even if you take his test bowling stats at face value, which I wouldn't, he's done okay with the bat.
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