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Old 23rd April 2015, 10:44   #61
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Stokes didn't bowl well yesterday but otherwise I think he's bowled pretty well this series with the type of pace that England has been looking for without some of the luck needed and a bit of his own carelessness (the no ball where he would have taken a wicket).

Woakes has hardly had that successful introduction into test cricket but we need to invest in both of these guys as younger players with talent IMO.
Re last point. Yes a winning percentage of 75% in tests played suggests he has been terrible

As a suitable comparison I will look at shane warne. AUSTRALIA only won 63% of the matches in which shane played.

The conclusion of this robust analysis is that england are 19 per cent more likely to win with Chris woakes in the side than aus with warne. Some might call that pivotal.

Pick the bones out of that.
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Old 23rd April 2015, 10:59   #62
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Re last point. Yes a winning percentage of 75% in tests played suggests he has been terrible

As a suitable comparison I will look at shane warne. AUSTRALIA only won 63% of the matches in which shane played.

The conclusion of this robust analysis is that england are 19 per cent more likely to win with Chris woakes in the side than aus with warne. Some might call that pivotal.

Pick the bones out of that.
One bone I'd pick straight away concerns the sample sizes.
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Old 23rd April 2015, 11:06   #63
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One bone I'd pick straight away concerns the sample sizes.
Good point. I am not sure they are comparable because I don't suppose warne came into a side who had not won for 10 matches before he came in and they won three out of three.
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Old 23rd April 2015, 11:44   #64
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Surely Warne was playing against far better opposition?
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Old 23rd April 2015, 11:51   #65
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Surely Warne was playing against far better opposition?
England in the 90s?





I am not being serious btw
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Old 23rd April 2015, 11:57   #66
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England in the 90s?
I love trying to compare teams from different ears, it's great fun. Maybe the Indian side that toured here was like the England side of the 90's, certainly away from home they are!!

Just like comparing oranges with apples, or pears isn't it?!!
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Old 23rd April 2015, 12:20   #67
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I love trying to compare teams from different ears, it's great fun.
I'm more of a nose man myself.
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Old 23rd April 2015, 14:15   #68
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I love trying to compare teams from different ears, it's great fun. ...
Do both ears always tell you the same or do they ever differ in their opinions?
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Old 23rd April 2015, 14:18   #69
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People are actually trying to pick the bones out of that piece of robust analysis? Lol

I do, however, think Woakes is quickly becoming the new Onions. The longer he is out of the side, the better he becomes.
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Old 23rd April 2015, 14:25   #70
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People are actually trying to pick the bones out of that piece of robust analysis? Lol

I do, however, think Woakes is quickly becoming the new Onions. The longer he is out of the side, the better he becomes.
Of course it is best to avoid Sir Virgs all too frequent limited data sets. However it seems that he had forgotten that thus far Woakes had the princely sum of 6 wickets taken at 52.

As I said earlier, I do think we need to invest a bit of time in the more talented younger players but I can't see that Woakes would have brought anything more to the party in this series than any other bowler who hasn't made it on the tour.
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Do both ears always tell you the same or do they ever differ in their opinions?
Hmmm, perhaps leave the comedy to the professionals.
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Old 23rd April 2015, 17:14   #72
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Hmmm, perhaps leave the comedy to the professionals.
Wow, that's a bit rich.
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Apparently his injury isn't improving as well as first hoped. This is a blow as after watching Stokes bowl against the Windies Woakes is clearly the better option.
I'm quite a big fan of Woakes but this is still a bit much. Stokes needs to do more as a test bowler but he looked useful with the bat last game and has produced some fiery spells with the ball. He's got the more impressive test credentials so far, although of course he's had a longer go.
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Old 13th June 2015, 21:22   #74
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Does anyone know when Woakes will be back from injury? If he is going to be ready for the Ashes I imagine he'll have to play a few games for Warwickshire first.
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Old 16th June 2015, 14:57   #75
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Hopefully he is back to play a significant part in the Ashes. He deserved to get more wickets against India last summer and has improved massively since his debut against Aus two years ago.
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Hopefully he is back to play a significant part in the Ashes. He deserved to get more wickets against India last summer and has improved massively since his debut against Aus two years ago.
Three weeks away from being fit to play.
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Would like to see Woakes get a game tomorrow. He was on of England's better performers at the World Cup and he merits a place in the side. It was. A shame he got injured when he did.
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I compared Woakes to tremlett in another thread which people misconstrued as me thinking he was injury prone, which I didn't mean. What I feel is that he may always be just outside the test side due to incumbents perceived to be better. Broad and Anderson have always kept him out until now and an untimely injury has seen Finn, Wood and Stokes leap ahead of him.
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Would like to see Woakes get a game tomorrow. He was on of England's better performers at the World Cup and he merits a place in the side. It was. A shame he got injured when he did.
I thought Jordan, Finn, Bopara and Tredwell were the better performers. Woakes 46.80 econ 6.21 s/r 45.2, Jordan 18.00 econ 4.40 s/r 24.5
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I thought Jordan, Finn, Bopara and Tredwell were the better performers. Woakes 46.80 econ 6.21 s/r 45.2, Jordan 18.00 econ 4.40 s/r 24.5
Bopara and Tredwell only played in one game.
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