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Old 9th August 2015, 19:10   #21
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Hopefully, although it was a bit of a curate's egg with great crunching shots combined with some bizarre ones and a tame, but fitting, end. He never really looked settled, but then only one man ever did during the test.
Bar Cook at Lord's you could argue the whole series from an England batting point of view (in terms of the top 7).
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Strange how England have dominated the series and they only have one centurion.
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Strange how England have dominated the series and they only have one centurion.
With the best will in the world the answer is that the Australian batting has been inept in the light of very good England bowling performances. As a fan of test cricket it has been a pack of rubbish as was England's performance down under just over 18 months ago. The Australian bowling has been pretty decent and has exposed several batsmen over the series, the obvious exception being Joe Root who definitely is one of the world's best batsmen - his record over the last year and a half confirms him as being right up there, though he has to perform abroad this winter to continue to confirm that.
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With the best will in the world the answer is that the Australian batting has been inept in the light of very good England bowling performances. ....
Alternatively, perhaps, England's bowling has been very much flattered by Aussie batting ineptitude.
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If the England line up is all rounder heavy for the tour of India, surely it needs to Bairstow at five and not Stokes. Apart from the fact Stokes looks suspect against spin, he's had three outstanding Test innings, and then not much else. Bairstow looks like he can alter his game depending on the match situation, something I'm not convinced Stokes has yet mastered.
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If the England line up is all rounder heavy for the tour of India, surely it needs to Bairstow at five and not Stokes. Apart from the fact Stokes looks suspect against spin, he's had three outstanding Test innings, and then not much else. Bairstow looks like he can alter his game depending on the match situation, something I'm not convinced Stokes has yet mastered.
For once we are in agreement. It's a tough gig though to keep wicket and bat 5. Maybe he will relinquish the gloves.
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If the England line up is all rounder heavy for the tour of India, surely it needs to Bairstow at five and not Stokes. Apart from the fact Stokes looks suspect against spin, he's had three outstanding Test innings, and then not much else. Bairstow looks like he can alter his game depending on the match situation, something I'm not convinced Stokes has yet mastered.

Are these:
His 258 at Cape Town v SA
His 92 at Lords v NZ
His 58 at Jo'burg v SA?
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Old 11th August 2016, 17:45   #28
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For once we are in agreement. It's a tough gig though to keep wicket and bat 5. Maybe he will relinquish the gloves.
I thought we agreed on quite a few things.

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Are these:
His 258 at Cape Town v SA
His 92 at Lords v NZ
His 58 at Jo'burg v SA?
The latter two are hardly outstanding efforts, you don't want to be picking out 58 as a shining example for a batsman who could be playing at five.
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The latter two are hardly outstanding efforts, you don't want to be picking out 58 as a shining example for a batsman who could be playing at five.
Did you watch those innings?
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Did you watch those innings?
Yes, have you seen JB lately? They might have been innings but the fact they are relatively low scores shows Stokes hasn't been consistant enough with the bat.
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Yes, have you seen JB lately? They might have been innings but the fact they are relatively low scores shows Stokes hasn't been consistant enough with the bat.
Someone catch those goalposts!
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Are these:
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His 92 at Lords v NZ
His 58 at Jo'burg v SA?
What about his 120 against Australia in Perth?
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Someone catch those goalposts!
If the debate is over who should bat higher out of Bairstow and Stokes, then surely Bairstow's recent drastic improvements are relevant.
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What about his 120 against Australia in Perth?
Apparently not according to CDogg.
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Bairstow is arguably England's 3rd best batsman now. The problem is that to bat him in the top 5 on a regular basis, you would need him to get rid of the gloves as to do both would be too much, especially in Asia. I am worried about how he keeps to spin as well, as he will have a lot of that coming up.
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Apparently not according to CDogg.
According to you, who listed his notable innings. Full marks for audacity, however.
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According to you, who listed his notable innings. Full marks for audacity, however.
No, you limited his notable innings to 3 and said the rest didn't amount to much.
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No, you limited his notable innings to 3 and said the rest didn't amount to much.
I said he had played three outstanding innings (his three tons), but then you listed three that did not include this one. So it would seem that according to you this was not an outstanding innings, as you rated a knock of 58 against SA as in his top three, and did not mention the ton in Australia.
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Surely no one thinks stokes is the better batsman do they?
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If the debate is over who should bat higher out of Bairstow and Stokes, then surely Bairstow's recent drastic improvements are relevant.
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Bairstow is arguably England's 3rd best batsman now. The problem is that to bat him in the top 5 on a regular basis, you would need him to get rid of the gloves as to do both would be too much, especially in Asia. I am worried about how he keeps to spin as well, as he will have a lot of that coming up.

If England were a bit more flexible with the batting order it may not matter so much. So if England bat first Bairstow could bat higher up the order, if they bat second then where Bairstow bats and indeed Stokes and others could be judged based on the time spent in the field.

And if the score is 150/1 then promote an attacking batsman up the order, may be oversimplifying it a little but that a batsman keeps wicket doesn't mean to say he will have been keeping for 100+ overs before England start their reply.

But under normal circumstances I would expect Bairstow to bat higher than Stokes, the latter may have made a big double but one swallow doesn't make a good girlfriend, I mean summer, and good batting conditions aren't there all the time.
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