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Old 10th September 2016, 14:35   #21
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Edit: For the record, Root and Cook have been better than Bairstow and I'd throw Ali in there too, considering what he has done with the position he has to bat in.
Funny you should say that

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...2016;type=year

A hundred runs more than Root (who's had two more innings), two hundred more than Cook (three more), nearly four hundred more than Ali (same number of innings).

Your username is going to be quite ironic if you keep this up, because no-one will.
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Old 10th September 2016, 15:53   #22
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Funny you should say that

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...2016;type=year

A hundred runs more than Root (who's had two more innings), two hundred more than Cook (three more), nearly four hundred more than Ali (same number of innings).

Your username is going to be quite ironic if you keep this up, because no-one will.
Depends on your sampling window but Bairstow has certainly not suffered by comparison to anyone since the UAE tour and even counting that he's still done far better than Ali. As Cook scored a monster there, his average is superior including that tour, I think.
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Old 10th September 2016, 16:28   #23
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A good thread title, by the way.
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Old 10th September 2016, 21:34   #24
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Depends on your sampling window but Bairstow has certainly not suffered by comparison to anyone since the UAE tour and even counting that he's still done far better than Ali. As Cook scored a monster there, his average is superior including that tour, I think.
All becoming a bit bizarre, dropping Bairstow wouldn't improve an already fragile batting order. I would have bought the idea of a specialist wicket keeper up until the Pakistan series but felt he showed a lot of progress with the gloves over the last 4 tests. I wonder if he's a player who needs to be constantly involved, otherwise he over analysis his batting, he must have been close to the chop prior to South Africa.

What the runs scored and averages taken together does seem to show is that England are heavily reliant on 4 players to score runs. You would hope that Cook, Bairstow, Root and Ali all get 1000 runs for the calendar year and maybe Ben Stokes if he's fir for the next 6 tests; which would be quite an achievement. My guess is Duckett will probably have to settle for the one day side at the moment
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Old 11th September 2016, 09:23   #25
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Pretty sure Duckett will go to Bangladesh and will open , certainly in the white ball stuff - it seems both Hales and Morgan are refusing to tour so there are big opportunities for new batsmen. Skip a generation and go with Duckett (21) and Hameed (19).

Interested in the comment above that some rate Bell-Drummond more highly than Duckett. Saw both of them last week and Duckett was massivley impressive and B-D, I'm sad to say, deeply disappointing in both innings.

Just looked up B-D's stats and was v surprised to see he's only scored one CC century this season. That means he's nowhere near the tour party; if a Div Two batsman is going to force England to take him seriously, he needs to do a lot better than that. Northeast. who has four big CC centuries to his name this year, would be a better bet.

In response to summer of 77, Consulting an old scorebook indicates that I played against Ben Duckett's dad at Hayes CC, although I cannot say I remember him...
DBD has made a lot of 50s though hasn't he? Pretty sure his season's average is high, and he had a good time in the Lions tri-series (although I think Duckett outshone him there). Most people suggesting DBD seem to be doing so on the basis that they think he is a test batsman in waiting who will do well against better attacks. Unfortunately that was the same type of logic that was applied to Vince.

Think it's clearly between the three youngsters BD, Duckett and Hameed at the moment. Personally I was thinking BD - the most experienced, one who has a ton vs Oz and has opened for longer than Duckett's year or so - but Duckett has done enough in the match vs Kent to very much put the cat amongst the pigeons.
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Just looked up B-D's stats and was v surprised to see he's only scored one CC century this season. That means he's nowhere near the tour party; if a Div Two batsman is going to force England to take him seriously, he needs to do a lot better than that. Northeast. who has four big CC centuries to his name this year, would be a better bet.
I've just looked up Northeast and was surprised to discover that is he still only 26. What's he like against spin?
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Old 9th December 2017, 12:25   #27
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Will this end in him being sent home?
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Old 9th December 2017, 13:21   #28
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Sounds like he was on a night out with my in-laws.
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Old 9th December 2017, 14:18   #29
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Jimmy's so dull I imagine Ben thought it would make him more interesting. No blame attached here.
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Suspending him for some good-natured hijinks seems humourless and counter-productive. Pouring a drink over Anderson ought to be commended.
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Jimmy's so dull I imagine Ben thought it would make him more interesting. No blame attached here.
But think of Jimmy's hair!

I have to say, that this incident and the Bairstow ones have been taken so seriously by the ECB is ridiculous. It's got mood hoovers Flower and Strauss written all over it.
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Old 9th December 2017, 22:39   #32
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It's got mood hoovers Flower and Strauss written all over it.
Thank God he didn't whistle or look out of a window.
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Old 10th December 2017, 14:07   #33
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Fined the maximum allowable amount for an England Lions player.

- Suspended from playing for the rest of the current Lions Australian training camp.

- Issued with a final written warning in respect of his conduct as an England player.
https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/534964?utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=ECB_cricket&u tm_content=100000110133360+&utm_campaign=Ashes%202 017/18
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Absolute joke. Throw the book at a junior player to look tough. **** this tour.
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Absolute joke. Throw the book at a junior player to look tough. **** this tour.
He must a have a history.
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He must a have a history.
He has a drink-driving conviction but I've not seen any evidence of a disciplinary history. This is a 'look tough' punishment and nothing more. Ben has been made a scapegoat and should tell England to go **** themselves after this.
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He has a drink-driving conviction but I've not seen any evidence of a disciplinary history. This is a 'look tough' punishment and nothing more. Ben has been made a scapegoat and should tell England to go **** themselves after this.
I understand the first two points in regards to taking a stance and making a scapegoat. but "Issued with a final written warning in respect of his conduct as an England player." Final warning, not first. Anyway, he seems like a proper nonce and lad. Might wake him up.
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I understand the first two points in regards to taking a stance and making a scapegoat. but "Issued with a final written warning in respect of his conduct as an England player." Final warning, not first.
First and final? Just been googling and can't find any other unless they privately warned him about his drink-driving but then they never did owt about Swann speeding and trying to save his cat.
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Okay a bit more looking shows that he lost the England U19 captaincy and a Northants pre-season tour for fitness issues but this is a complete overreaction by the ECB.
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He's never fit the identikit ECB player model. Genuinely can't believe the ECB make the same mistakes over and over. This has been blown way out of proportion.
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