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#921 |
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Cambridge
Team(s): England
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Telegraph suggests Crane finally will get a shot in Sydney.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2...mpression=true
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#922 |
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: London
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From 2000 Test debutants by the years
2000 - Schofield, Hoggard, Trescothick 2001 - Sidebottom, Ward, Afzaal, Ormond, Dawson, Foster 2002 - SJones, Harmison, Key 2003 - Anderson, McGrath, Johnson, Smith, Kirtley, Ali, Batty, Clarke, Saggers, Collingwood 2004 - GJones, Strauss, Bell 2005 - Pietersen, Udal, Plunkett 2006 - Blackwell, Cook, Panesar, Shah, Mahmood, Lewis 2007 - Prior, Tremlett, Bopara, Broad 2008 - Ambrose, Pattinson, Swann 2009 - Khan, Bresnan, Onions, Trott 2010 - Carberry, Finn, Tredwell, Morgan, Shahzad 2011 2012 - Patel, Bairstow, Taylor, Compton, Root 2013 - Kerrigan, Woakes, Stokes, 2014 - Ballance, Borthwick, Rankin, Ali, Jordan, Robson, Buttler 2015 - Lyth, Wood, Rashid, Hales 2016 - Vince, Ball, Duckett, Ansari, Hameed, Jennings, Dawson 2017 - Malan, Roland-Jones, Westley, Stoneman, Overton, Curran 2018 - Crane, Leach Fletcher Moores Flower, Bayliss Last edited by 1000yardstare : 30th March 2018 at 07:16. |
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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Ignoring the suspended Stokes (who'd already been picked in ODIs and T20s two years earlier), does that make Moeen Ali the biggest success story of the James Whitaker era? Would love to hear what Jock makes of that.
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#925 | |
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#926 |
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#927 | |
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: London
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Graveney 2000 - Schofield, Hoggard, Trescothick 2001 - Sidebottom, Ward, Afzaal, Ormond, Dawson, Foster 2002 - SJones, Harmison, Key 2003 - Anderson, McGrath, Johnson, Smith, Kirtley, Ali, Batty, Clarke, Saggers, Collingwood 2004 - GJones, Strauss, Bell 2005 - Pietersen, Udal, Plunkett 2006 - Blackwell, Cook, Panesar, Shah, Mahmood, Lewis 2007 - Prior, Tremlett, Bopara, Broad Miller 2008 - Ambrose, Pattinson, Swann 2009 - Khan, Bresnan, Onions, Trott 2010 - Carberry, Finn, Tredwell, Morgan, Shahzad 2011 2012 - Patel, Bairstow, Taylor, Compton, Root 2013 - Kerrigan, Woakes, Stokes Whitaker 2014 - Ballance, Borthwick, Rankin, Ali, Jordan, Robson, Buttler 2015 - Lyth, Wood, Rashid, Hales 2016 - Vince, Ball, Duckett, Ansari, Hameed, Jennings, Dawson 2017 - Malan, Roland-Jones, Westley, Stoneman, Overton, Curran 2018 - Crane |
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#928 |
Posting Goddess
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: London
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Spin since Swann retired
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=bowling Who will make their debut first Leach or Livingstone? Would they consider Livingstone if Vince gets single figures and Livingstone makes a 100? No. Leach will arrive too late to be considered for the 1st Test. |
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#929 |
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Join Date: May 2016
Location: Exeter
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Depressing that only Tredwell, from 2 tests, and Borthwick (from 1) have better bowling averages than Moeen in that time. What a dearth.
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#930 |
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Sunny Sussex
Team(s): Sussex, England
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Only Dawson has played a Test in England from what I remember. I'm hoping Leach gets a run in the team if he is considered the best finger spinner around.
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#931 |
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Team(s): Arkholme Bees, Hackney Grasshoppers, Holy Cross Academicals
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I'm hoping the sky will open and Jesus step down to earth. I don't see how Leach getting a run in the team can possibly happen unless Moeen resigns. They're not going to play Moeen as a batsman, and there won't be room for two spinners amongst the bowlers. Ali Martin in today's Guardian says that this two-test series vs New Zealand is "not expected to demand a second spinner alongside Moeen Ali", which says it all really: Moeen Ali is nailed on as the first spinner regardless of the ability of the competition, and the competition will only be allowed a look-in if we're playing on a pitch which all English commentators will abominate. Leach doesn't stand a chance of playing until next winter, and then he will immediately be dropped again unless he's about a million times better than Moeen, and Moeen also fails completely with the bat, and the sky opens and Jesus steps down to earth.
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Join Date: Dec 2016
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Giles - Test average: 40 (54 Tests) Emburey - Test average 83 (64 Tests) Miller - Test average 31 (34 Tests, but only 60 wickets) Edmonds - Test average 34 (51 Tests) - or even Salisbury - Test average 77 (15 Tests) Other under-performing spinners are available! ![]() |
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#933 | |
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#934 | |
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Join Date: Dec 2016
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Yes indeed - the point I was making. Rather than berating the failure of Moeen or Rashid to be another Swann, we should realise it may be the 2030s before another spinner of that quality comes along! |
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#935 |
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Join Date: Oct 2015
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I think it will be a little sooner as there are 4 or 5 promising candidates. The danger will be pushing someone through too quickly as to really make it they have to have a game for all conditions. For the most part they currently only play in the right conditions, so their statistics are a bit misleading. Monty probably suffered from that a little as he never really learnt how to bowl in different conditions. Spin bowling is probably the most difficult skill to master at the top level because there is normally only one in the team and a spinner really needs to be able to radically change how they bowl depending on conditions.
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#936 | |
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Well, I hope you're right. But I remember when Ian Salisbury was the bowler tipped to be the next great spinner! ![]() |
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#937 |
International Cricketer
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Berkshire
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#938 | |
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Join Date: Dec 2016
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During their careers Embers et al were the best we had. But statistics don't lie - in Test cricket they were, at best, ordinary. |
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#939 |
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Join Date: Oct 2015
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True there have been a few. Every 2 years the papers hit on England's spin problems and come up with 5 names to hit the headlines. Most have normally disappeared within 2 years.
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#940 | |
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Join Date: Sep 2015
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Embers averaged 38 runs per wkt in Tests not the 83 you preposterously claim. My fondest memory of him was during Botham's Ashes in 1981, when he turned the game at Edgbaston. At 90 odd for three, Australia only wanted 60 for victory with Border and Yallop seemingly coasting to a win that would have put the Aussies 2-1 up. Embers then removed both established batsmen, enabling Botham to clean up the tail in taking 5-11. That said, I was never his biggest fan. I much prefered the more mercurial Edmonds, who had a better average, economy rate and strike rate in Test cricket. Embers was also rather a dour man while Henri was - and still is - a wonderful character. I recall with huge pleasure playing with him after his retirement on tour in Barbados. Brearley was the captain and after net practice there was a chatin the dressing room of the Bridgetown Oval about tactics for the match the following day. "What do you think, Henri?" Brearley asked. "F**k me, that's the first time you've ever sought my opinion in 20 years," Henri replied. They then proceeded to argue about a Test v Australia many years earlier in which Edmonds had bowled a slow-ball bouncer - now a very trendy delivery but then considered an unforgivable faux pas. Brearley told him if he did it again, he was out of the attack - so, of course, Henri did it again. From memory I think they said it was the first Test of an Ashes series down under. And not only did Brearley take Edmonds off - he didn't play again in the series. I just sat there p*ssing myself with laughter. |
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