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Old 23rd July 2017, 19:08   #21
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Perhaps need to rename this thread to just England's fast bowling?
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Old 24th July 2017, 22:14   #22
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sure, why not
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Old 25th July 2017, 10:58   #23
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wait, I think some of the guys are faster than medium lol
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Old 26th July 2017, 12:02   #24
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Does anyone think that there's a place for either Bopara or Howell in the T20 side? They're bowling style is very similar, in that they bowl at around 75mph but then use their various slower balls more often than their natural pace. They are always near the top of the averages in The Blast and whenever I watch them on Sky, they are the hardest bowlers to get away. As a bonus, they both bat well.

I know Bopara has been tried before and perhaps his time has come and gone, but I like the idea of variation in a T20 attack and we have the potential to have raw quicks like Mills and Wood, mixed in with clever medium pacers like Howell.
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Old 26th July 2017, 12:16   #25
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Does anyone think that there's a place for either Bopara or Howell in the T20 side? They're bowling style is very similar, in that they bowl at around 75mph but then use their various slower balls more often than their natural pace. They are always near the top of the averages in The Blast and whenever I watch them on Sky, they are the hardest bowlers to get away. As a bonus, they both bat well.

I know Bopara has been tried before and perhaps his time has come and gone, but I like the idea of variation in a T20 attack and we have the potential to have raw quicks like Mills and Wood, mixed in with clever medium pacers like Howell.
Yep, both would be good picks, plus Boparas batting is always useful. I've never liked the idea of "so and sos time has come and gone". Bopara wasu nder utilised for so long. No problem with him coming back into a side that needs variaton.
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Old 26th July 2017, 12:54   #26
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Yep, both would be good picks, plus Boparas batting is always useful. I've never liked the idea of "so and sos time has come and gone". Bopara wasu nder utilised for so long. No problem with him coming back into a side that needs variaton.
He wouldn't make it with a s/r of 77.84.

Hales 96.08
Roy 101.10
Root 86.33
Stokes 97.24
Buttler 117.98
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Old 26th July 2017, 13:58   #27
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He wouldn't make it with a s/r of 77.84.

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I wasn't suggesting that Bopara would bat in the top 6. But I reckon he would be equally good as Ali or Dawson at 7. I think this would be a good attack:

6. Stokes
7. Bopara/Howell
8. Jordan
9. Rashid/Crane
10. Woakes/Wood
11. Mills

Plenty of variation. 2 or 3 good death bowlers. Pace. A wrist spinner.

The good news is that there's plenty of choice in T20 cricket now. Willey, Curran T, Plunkett and Finn would also do a decent job.
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I wasn't suggesting that Bopara would bat in the top 6. But I reckon he would be equally good as Ali or Dawson at 7. I think this would be a good attack:

6. Stokes
7. Bopara/Howell
8. Jordan
9. Rashid/Crane
10. Woakes/Wood
11. Mills

Plenty of variation. 2 or 3 good death bowlers. Pace. A wrist spinner.

The good news is that there's plenty of choice in T20 cricket now. Willey, Curran T, Plunkett and Finn would also do a decent job.
I thought you meant ODIs.
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I wasn't suggesting that Bopara would bat in the top 6. But I reckon he would be equally good as Ali or Dawson at 7. I think this would be a good attack:

6. Stokes
7. Bopara/Howell
8. Jordan
9. Rashid/Crane
10. Woakes/Wood
11. Mills

Plenty of variation. 2 or 3 good death bowlers. Pace. A wrist spinner.

The good news is that there's plenty of choice in T20 cricket now. Willey, Curran T, Plunkett and Finn would also do a decent job.
I suspect Curran will replace Jordan sooner rather than later.
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I wasn't suggesting that Bopara would bat in the top 6. But I reckon he would be equally good as Ali or Dawson at 7. I think this would be a good attack:

6. Stokes
7. Bopara/Howell
8. Jordan
9. Rashid/Crane
10. Woakes/Wood
11. Mills

Plenty of variation. 2 or 3 good death bowlers. Pace. A wrist spinner.

The good news is that there's plenty of choice in T20 cricket now. Willey, Curran T, Plunkett and Finn would also do a decent job.
I was with you before you mentioned Jordan.

6. Stokes
7. Bopara
8. Rashid
9. T. Curran
10. Wood
11. Mills

I'd also throw Topley's name into the mix. Don't write him off after his indifferent start to international cricket.
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Old 26th July 2017, 14:39   #31
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I was with you before you mentioned Jordan.

6. Stokes
7. Bopara
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10. Wood
11. Mills

I'd also throw Topley's name into the mix. Don't write him off after his indifferent start to international cricket.
No, I rate Topley's bowling and thought he was our best bowler in UAE. However, his batting and fielding is a joke. Unless he improves his fielding, he'll never play again.

Jordan is a very good T20 bowler, proven in tournaments all around the world. Did well in our last series against SA. He also hits a very long ball and is the team's best fielder. Curran is a lot younger, and will have his time.
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It seems vanishingly unlikely that England would reselect Bopara on account of his bowling. After all, they dropped him when he was one of England's most dependable bowlers in terms of economy rate.

Also I'm not really sure there's such a thing as "England's 2020 side". There are more pointless games in this format than there used to be, but I think that the "World 2020" aside, England will continue to use such matches for trying out players they might potentially want for the ODI or test sides in future.
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No, I rate Topley's bowling and thought he was our best bowler in UAE. However, his batting and fielding is a joke. Unless he improves his fielding, he'll never play again.

Jordan is a very good T20 bowler, proven in tournaments all around the world. Did well in our last series against SA. He also hits a very long ball and is the team's best fielder. Curran is a lot younger, and will have his time.
The only thing more overrated than Jordan's bowling is his batting.

He's managed a strikerate over 100 just 5 times in 15 T20 innings and 4 times in 21 ODI innings. His international T20 strikerate is just 113.27 and his domestic T20 strikerate is only 114.63.

He is, however, a fine fielder.
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The only thing more overrated than Jordan's bowling is his batting.

He's managed a strikerate over 100 just 5 times in 15 T20 innings and 4 times in 21 ODI innings. His international T20 strikerate is just 113.27 and his domestic T20 strikerate is only 114.63.

He is, however, a fine fielder.
I wouldn't judge a guy who bats in T20s at 8/9 on his stats. One day we'll need 18 off the final over and he's one of the guys capable of clearing the ropes.
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I wouldn't judge a guy who bats in T20s at 8/9 on his stats. One day we'll need 18 off the final over and he's one of the guys capable of clearing the ropes.
I wouldn't judge a guy at 8 or 9 on his average, but I would judge him on his strikerate.

If batting at 8/9 was a factor I'd much prefer Plunkett's strikerate of 131.20.
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I wouldn't judge a guy at 8 or 9 on his average, but I would judge him on his strikerate.

If batting at 8/9 was a factor I'd much prefer Plunkett's strikerate of 131.20.
Well even if he was a rabbit, I'd pick him as he's our best death bowler.
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I wouldn't judge a guy at 8 or 9 on his average, but I would judge him on his strikerate.

If batting at 8/9 was a factor I'd much prefer Plunkett's strikerate of 131.20.
Who did clear the ropes to tie an ODI last Summer.

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Well even if he was a rabbit, I'd pick him as he's our best death bowler.
People said that about Jade Dernbach as well.
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People said that about Jade Dernbach as well.
Yes but Jordan has done it for England and in franchise cricket for a sustained period now.
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Who did clear the ropes to tie an ODI last Summer.

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So explain Howell's and Bopara's bowling records in the Blast. How come every time I see them bowl, they are the hardest to hit? This is bowling against some international players. Surely there's merit in a slower bowler who has 3/4 different slower balls.
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