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Old 27th July 2017, 00:07   #41
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He wouldn't make it with a s/r of 77.84.

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Bopara's int sr is 118...
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Old 27th July 2017, 00:13   #42
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Yes but Jordan has done it for England and in franchise cricket for a sustained period now.
He's hardly been good in IPL. He's a marginal player at international level, at best, I'd say. He only gets a look in because we aren't playing Bopara and Howell.
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Old 27th July 2017, 11:58   #43
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Bopara's int sr is 118...
He was referring to ODIs, not T20Is. Bopara's SR in T20Is is lower than those mentioned above (in reference to ODIs) too apart from Moeen. All the others are in the 130s.
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Old 27th July 2017, 14:09   #44
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So explain Howell's and Bopara's bowling records in the Blast. How come every time I see them bowl, they are the hardest to hit? This is bowling against some international players. Surely there's merit in a slower bowler who has 3/4 different slower balls.
Bopara did ok as a bowler in T20Is but he didn't bowl enough to justify a place on his bowling alone and his batting was underwhelming to say the least. Howell isn't as good a batsman and probably no better as a bowler.

In general slow-medium bowlers get murdered in international cricket across all formats unless they are exceptionally good. Neither Bopara or Howell are in that category, regardless of how much they terrorise county batsmen with their 75mph fast balls. I'd rather the return of 41Yob Collingwood.
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Old 27th July 2017, 15:00   #45
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... In general slow-medium bowlers get murdered in international cricket across all formats unless they are exceptionally good. Neither Bopara or Howell are in that category, ...
I think Bopara's ODI bowling stats would suggest that your generalisation doesn't apply in his case.
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Old 27th July 2017, 15:06   #46
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Bopara did ok as a bowler in T20Is but he didn't bowl enough to justify a place on his bowling alone and his batting was underwhelming to say the least. Howell isn't as good a batsman and probably no better as a bowler.

In general slow-medium bowlers get murdered in international cricket across all formats unless they are exceptionally good. Neither Bopara or Howell are in that category, regardless of how much they terrorise county batsmen with their 75mph fast balls. I'd rather the return of 41Yob Collingwood.
But both of them have been bowling very well against international overseas players batting in the top 4. They've done this for the last 3/4 years.
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Old 27th July 2017, 15:16   #47
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But both of them have been bowling very well against international overseas players batting in the top 4. They've done this for the last 3/4 years.
You have their stats against international bowlers in the Blast to hand? Although even if you did, it is no predictor of how they'd get on bowling solely to international cricketers in the international game.
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Old 27th July 2017, 15:28   #48
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You have their stats against international bowlers in the Blast to hand? Although even if you did, it is no predictor of how they'd get on bowling solely to international cricketers in the international game.
No, but I've got Ravi Bopara's stats against international batsmen in T20I to hand where his economy-rate is 7.21 and a bowling average of 24.18.
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You have their stats against international bowlers in the Blast to hand? Although even if you did, it is no predictor of how they'd get on bowling solely to international cricketers in the international game.
No, I just watch a lot of cricket and from what I've seen, batsmen are really enjoying terrorising 83mph bowlers but are struggling with the variations of the slower medium bowlers.
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No, I just watch a lot of cricket and from what I've seen, batsmen are really enjoying terrorising 83mph bowlers but are struggling with the variations of the slower medium bowlers.
In games England bowled Bopara, W7 L14, in games they didn't W9 L6 NR2.
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No, I just watch a lot of cricket and from what I've seen, batsmen are really enjoying terrorising 83mph bowlers but are struggling with the variations of the slower medium bowlers.
In international cricket? I can only think of one dobbler who's had any kind of success recently (Gunaratne for SL) but even then not that much.
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Old 27th July 2017, 17:15   #52
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In games England bowled Bopara, W7 L14, in games they didn't W9 L6 NR2.
The fact they generally only turned to him when they were leaking runs doesn't negate the fact that he is an effective bowler.
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Old 27th July 2017, 19:54   #53
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You have their stats against international bowlers in the Blast to hand? Although even if you did, it is no predictor of how they'd get on bowling solely to international cricketers in the international game.
For what it's worth, he's just ended Brendan McCullum's mayhem.
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Old 27th July 2017, 20:46   #54
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For what it's worth, he's just ended Brendan McCullum's mayhem.
Yeah, I know, I'm there. He then got slapped about by county journey man John Simpson.
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I can't believe over half this thread is about Ravi Bopara
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Well he didn't fancy the chase. Ran himself out.
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Yeah, let's move on from bopara and onto Toby Roland Jones. He has bowled really well in his debut test and is a lock for the final test and the windies but what if Woakes returns? With Broad and Anderson still around, although less effective, who would get picked?
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Woakes, Anderson and Broad. Locked in.
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Yeah, let's move on from bopara and onto Toby Roland Jones. He has bowled really well in his debut test and is a lock for the final test and the windies but what if Woakes returns? With Broad and Anderson still around, although less effective, who would get picked?
I suspect that Broad and Anderson might well get the odd test match off in the coming series and that TRJ will get the chance to strut his stuff given the nuts schedule with 7 tests in around 9 weeks.
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They should bowl Plunkett now as well to get him ready for the winter. Mark Wood's fake horse has bolted and the definition of insanity is watching Steve Finn bowl again and again and expecting different results.
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