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Old 1st August 2017, 10:46   #61
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They should bowl Plunkett now as well to get him ready for the winter. Mark Wood's fake horse has bolted and the definition of insanity is watching Steve Finn bowl again and again and expecting different results.
Albeit only over four overs but Helm looked better and quicker than Finn last week. Why is Finn even in the squad?
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Old 1st August 2017, 10:52   #62
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Because the whole selection process and coaching set up is ****ed.
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Old 1st August 2017, 16:13   #63
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He was referring to ODIs, not T20Is. Bopara's SR in T20Is is lower than those mentioned above (in reference to ODIs) too apart from Moeen. All the others are in the 130s.
Well the discussion prior was on t20s so...

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Woakes, Anderson and Broad. Locked in.
I dunno about that. Why should Broad be locked in if he again fails to take more than a couple wickets and Jones takes more?

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I suspect that Broad and Anderson might well get the odd test match off in the coming series and that TRJ will get the chance to strut his stuff given the nuts schedule with 7 tests in around 9 weeks.
Yep, Jones will likely be part of the rotation policy.

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They should bowl Plunkett now as well to get him ready for the winter. Mark Wood's fake horse has bolted and the definition of insanity is watching Steve Finn bowl again and again and expecting different results.
Tbh, I'd be up for Plunkett getting a shot in the test sides. Unlike the other English bowlers he has genuine pace to go with his height.

The Windies should be used as a trial to get ready for Australia.

There are a few names to play around with, form permitting of course: Anderson, Jones, Plunkett, Broad and Woakes.
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Old 6th September 2017, 17:38   #64
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So, bringing this bang up to date with the current series and across the current English test summer:

Ben Stokes - 6 matches, 10 wickets, 43.8 average, 78.0 sr, 0 5s or 10s

Stuart Broad - 6 matches, 18 wickets, 34.38 average, 65.3 sr, 0 5s or 10s

James Anderson - 6 matches, 30 wickets, 15.90 average, 40.0 sr, 2 5s 0 10s

Mark Wood - 2 matches, 1 wicket, 197.00 average, 336.0 sr, 0 5s and 10s

Toby-Roland Jones - 3 matches, 14 wickets, 19.35 average, 28.8 sr and 1 5s

Chris Woakes - 1 match, 2 wickets, 61.00 average, 100.0 sr, 0 5s and 10s

Apart from the old guard, in particular Broad, this makes for abysmal reading and if it wasnt for all those wickets Ali took against the saffers, England would have been in serious trouble.

Beyond the stats, the biggest problem is I have not seen anyone ball with any consistent pace...these are meant to be "fast" bowlers. Most of the time I see Stokes, he seems to labour in as if someone has put him up to it against his will. Apart from one good spell against the saffers, he has done nothing. Woakes doesnt seem a 100% anyway.

England's coaching staff need to give them a kick up the jacksy.
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Old 6th September 2017, 18:01   #65
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Old 6th September 2017, 19:30   #66
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So, bringing this bang up to date with the current series and across the current English test summer:

Ben Stokes - 6 matches, 10 wickets, 43.8 average, 78.0 sr, 0 5s or 10s

Stuart Broad - 6 matches, 18 wickets, 34.38 average, 65.3 sr, 0 5s or 10s

James Anderson - 6 matches, 30 wickets, 15.90 average, 40.0 sr, 2 5s 0 10s

Mark Wood - 2 matches, 1 wicket, 197.00 average, 336.0 sr, 0 5s and 10s

Toby-Roland Jones - 3 matches, 14 wickets, 19.35 average, 28.8 sr and 1 5s

Chris Woakes - 1 match, 2 wickets, 61.00 average, 100.0 sr, 0 5s and 10s

Apart from the old guard, in particular Broad, this makes for abysmal reading and if it wasnt for all those wickets Ali took against the saffers, England would have been in serious trouble.

Beyond the stats, the biggest problem is I have not seen anyone ball with any consistent pace...these are meant to be "fast" bowlers. Most of the time I see Stokes, he seems to labour in as if someone has put him up to it against his will. Apart from one good spell against the saffers, he has done nothing. Woakes doesnt seem a 100% anyway.

England's coaching staff need to give them a kick up the jacksy.
None of them are actually fast bowlers though, they are fast medium/medium fast with the exception of Wood who's shot anyway. England don't tend to produce many genuine fast bowlers anyway. In my lifetime only Gough, Flintoff and Harmison have had sustained careers, with the likes of White, Jones and Finn having their moments.
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Old 6th September 2017, 22:02   #67
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None of them are actually fast bowlers though, they are fast medium/medium fast with the exception of Wood who's shot anyway. England don't tend to produce many genuine fast bowlers anyway. In my lifetime only Gough, Flintoff and Harmison have had sustained careers, with the likes of White, Jones and Finn having their moments.
Agreed, although Broad used to be considerably quicker. I guess what I'm trying to say is no one seems to put their back into it andi ts not just this once. Any time ENgland are under the kosh from the bat, none of the new guys seems to know what to do, bring out that effort ball, do something jus tthat bit mroe physical. Its all so mechanical and rehearsed.
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Broad has struggled this summer, two reasons from what I have seen. Firstly, most importantly, he seems to have lost that x-factor he finds to bowl magic spells. Even when playing for Notts earlier in the summer he wasn't getting the wickets. Secondly, his luck has been out, check out Moeen and Cook dropping simple chances at Headingley.

He might get to 400 Test wickets but I don't see him getting far beyond that. It may well be that the long standing heal injury is beginning to take its toll.
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Broad has struggled this summer, two reasons from what I have seen. Firstly, most importantly, he seems to have lost that x-factor he finds to bowl magic spells. Even when playing for Notts earlier in the summer he wasn't getting the wickets. Secondly, his luck has been out, check out Moeen and Cook dropping simple chances at Headingley.

He might get to 400 Test wickets but I don't see him getting far beyond that. It may well be that the long standing heal injury is beginning to take its toll.
Certainly been a bit down on zip overall. Although gbg doesn't have it on his deathwatch list, for me it should be noted that Broad hasn't got a 5fer since Jo'burg and that brilliant spell there. He's usually chipped in with wickets but it isn't unreasonable to say that he's often been rather indifferent in his opening spells, certainly in the series just gone.
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He seems to have lost his away swinger and turned into something of a seam/cutter bowler. He may come back still, many had written Jimmy off in similar vein not that long ago.
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But Broad never had the same skill and gile that Jimmy has and I have always felt that if there is any one of the senior players that could or should be dropped in favour of a rising star, it should be Broad.

Not saying he should be dropped, lets see how he does in a couple tests in Oz.

Also, just looking back at my pre windies post and PLunkett...he wasnt tried in a single test, which is mad, as his size and pace make him the perfect bet for Australia. He has bowled well over there in ODIs and is a lot better now than he was a few years back .

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How would Meaker and Footit compare with these?
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How would Meaker and Footit compare with these?
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Plunkett isn't an especially good FC bowler, though. He's become a very good limited overs option - partly because of his ability to biff it down the order, of course, but quite often is left out of Yorkshire's CC team, I believe.
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Plunkett isn't an especially good FC bowler, though. He's become a very good limited overs option - partly because of his ability to biff it down the order, of course, but quite often is left out of Yorkshire's CC team, I believe.
Just bowlers who are a bit quicker than the rest. Mills doesn't even play f/c cricket.

I think Stokes will be our fastest bowler in Australia. See him ending up with most wickets and most runs.
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