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Old 31st July 2007, 21:04   #201
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For a bowler, the factors are:

wickets taken and runs conceded;
ratings of the batsmen dismissed (the wicket of Rahul Dravid is worth more than that of Glenn McGrath – but if McGrath’s rating improves, the value of his wicket will increase accordingly)
the level of run-scoring in the match; bowling figures of 3 for 50 in a high scoring match will boost a bowler’s rating more than the same figures in a low scoring match;
- heavy workload; bowlers who bowl a large number of overs in the match get some credit, even if they take no wickets;
the result. Bowlers who take a lot of wickets in a victory receive a bonus. That bonus will be higher for highly rated opposition teams.
Bowlers who do not bowl in a high-scoring innings are penalized
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Old 1st August 2007, 01:46   #202
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I know it's because of other moves but it seems odd for Giles to be moving up!
I always thought Giles looked a better bowler when in the pavillion.
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Old 1st August 2007, 11:25   #203
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Does he get extra points for TMS commentary? Surely he deserves points for putting up with Blowers calling him 'My Dear Old Wheely Bin' every time he addresses him.
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Old 1st August 2007, 11:28   #204
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RS drops 7 places yet JA drops only 2.


How on earth does that work then?
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Old 1st August 2007, 11:31   #205
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I think Obliquearse's rating is more volatile as he's played fewer total games.
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Old 1st August 2007, 12:16   #206
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Does he get extra points for TMS commentary? Surely he deserves points for putting up with Blowers calling him 'My Dear Old Wheely Bin' every time he addresses him.
If so, shirley Aggers would have a firm hold of the top bowling spot.
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Old 13th August 2007, 21:13   #207
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I don't want to spoil FBU's usual role but am pleased to see that JA has managed his highest number of ranking points after this test.
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How odd. A bowler shouldn't really improve his rating after going for 180 runs in the first innings of a test at 4.5 per over. Perhaps it's an indication of how poor he's been in the past?
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Old 13th August 2007, 21:44   #209
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ICC Cricket Test Rankings after 3rd Test v India

Batsmen

4 (-) - Pietersen
14 (-) - Collingwood
17 (+3) - Cook
21 (+1) - Bell
22 (-1) - Strauss
26 (-) - Trescothick
28 (-4) - Vaughan
35 (-2) - Flintoff
78 (-3) - Prior
85 (-2) - Jones
99 NEW - Shah

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8 (+1) - Hoggard
14 (-) - Flintoff
15 (-9) - Panesar
26 (-1) - Harmison
36 (+8) - Anderson
45 (-3) - Sidebottom
50 (-3) - Tremlett
60 (-1) - Plunkett
62 (+1) - Mahmood
76 (+1) - Udal
82 NEW - Collingwood
92 (-1) - Lewis
94 (-) - Vaughan
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Monty down 9 places. Ouch!
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For a bowler, the factors are:

wickets taken and runs conceded;
ratings of the batsmen dismissed (the wicket of Rahul Dravid is worth more than that of Glenn McGrath – but if McGrath’s rating improves, the value of his wicket will increase accordingly)
the level of run-scoring in the match; bowling figures of 3 for 50 in a high scoring match will boost a bowler’s rating more than the same figures in a low scoring match;
- heavy workload; bowlers who bowl a large number of overs in the match get some credit, even if they take no wickets;
the result. Bowlers who take a lot of wickets in a victory receive a bonus. That bonus will be higher for highly rated opposition teams.
Bowlers who do not bowl in a high-scoring innings are penalized
Pysduck I agree that it doesn't seem right that JA reaches his highest ranking even if he did concede a large number of runs. However if you look at the criteria above 6 wickets which included Tendulkar and Jaffer twice, Dravid and Singh which will have helped. He also bowled 55 overs in the game. I guess as Tesco say every little helps!
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Old 13th August 2007, 21:57   #212
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Anderson's wickets -Tendulkar (3), Jaffer (3), Dravid (2), Ganguly (2), Dhoni, Khan, Kartik, Singh

Tremlett - Jaffer (3) Laxman (3), Kartik (2), Dravid, Khan, Kumble, Tendulkar, Dhoni

Sidebottom - Kartik (2) Kumble (2), Singh, Laxman, Ganguly, Dhoni

Anderson also had a heavy workload and bowled more overs than any other bowler in the series.

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Old 13th August 2007, 22:00   #213
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How's the Jimmy v Monty Batting Royale coming along FBU? Surely Jimmy's stirling 16 has jumped him above the Montster?

Edit: Sorry, that was in ODIs, not tests. Never mind
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Tremlett got Kartik twice as well.
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How's the Jimmy v Monty Batting Royale coming along FBU? Surely Jimmy's stirling 16 has jumped him above the Montster?

Edit: Sorry, that was in ODIs, not tests. Never mind
Monty at 147 (88) and Jimmy at 151 (79)
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Old 13th August 2007, 22:35   #216
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Rabbits, ferrets and mice as Bob Willis calls them -

114 - Harmison
129 - Sidebottom
135 - Plunkett
144 - Hoggard
146 - Tremlett
147 - Panesar
151 - Anderson
154 - Mahmood

Harmison should be breaking into the top 100 soon.
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ICC Cricket Test Rankings after 3rd Test v India

Batsmen

4 (-) - Pietersen
14 (-) - Collingwood
17 (+3) - Cook
21 (+1) - Bell

22 (-1) - Strauss
26 (-) - Trescothick
28 (-4) - Vaughan
35 (-2) - Flintoff
78 (-3) - Prior
85 (-2) - Jones
99 NEW - Shah
I find the assessment of Cook and Bell in this match completely baffling. Bell got more runs in each innings than Cook, with no lucky escapes. Cook could have been out at least 4 times in the first innings. Maybe this isn't taken into consideration and they just go on the scores achieved. As they were both facing the same bowling there was no differential there. By rights Bell's rating should have increased by more than Cook's.

I might add that both Bell's innings in this match were pure delight.
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Old 13th August 2007, 23:58   #218
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I might add that both Bell's innings in this match were pure delight.
If only he could perform on the more difficult pitches in the previous two tests.
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The simple reason for the difference is that though Cook gained more places, Bell gained more points. Around Cook the players are very closely matched on points, whereas Bell was previously about 20 points behind the nearest.
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If only he could perform on the more difficult pitches in the previous two tests.
Some people are just never satisfied.

He had a tricky first test v. India with being stuck with the tail right from the start of his innings, and was looking pretty good despite getting out early. He finally got it together in this match, although a century in the first innings would have been welcome - of which he was well aware judging by his expression on being dismissed.
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