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Old 9th January 2018, 11:17   #3721
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Rabada now top of the test bowling rankings.

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MRF Tyres ICC Test Team Rankings (as on 9 January, following the conclusion of Australia v England series):

Rank Team Points

India 124
South Africa 111
Australia 104 (+7)
New Zealand 100
England 99 (-6)
Sri Lanka 94
Pakistan 88
Windies 72
Bangladesh 72
Zimbabwe 01
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Old 9th January 2018, 11:50   #3722
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India have to be the most fraudulent top ranked test side since... Pakistan?
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Old 9th January 2018, 12:08   #3723
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India have to be the most fraudulent top ranked test side since... Pakistan?
MPV was suggesting that away tests earn you a higher points tally (double I think) - not a bad idea.
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Old 9th January 2018, 12:17   #3724
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MPV was suggesting that away tests earn you a higher points tally (double I think) - not a bad idea.
The rugby rankings work like that and also provide greater award for winning by more than 15 points.

Trouble is, India would just continue to tour Sri Lanka and Bangladesh to top up their points.
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Old 9th January 2018, 13:25   #3725
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The rugby rankings work like that and also provide greater award for winning by more than 15 points.

Trouble is, India would just continue to tour Sri Lanka and Bangladesh to top up their points.
And they don't even play the best team in their region, Pakistan, so no doubt they'll schedule a 8 match test series against Afghanistan later this year. That's fine, just makes it all the more sweet when they habitually lose in Eng, Aus and SA.
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Old 9th January 2018, 13:36   #3726
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Test Rankings at 8 January 2018 (last done 30 Dec 2017)
5th Test Australia v England
1st Test South Africa v India

Batsmen

2 (+2) - Root
9 (-1) - Cook
17 (-1) - Bairstow
27 (-3) - Stokes
39 (-1) - Ali
52 (+4) - Malan
73 (-) - Ballance
82 (-) - Woakes
87 (-1) - Buttler
89 (-6) - Stoneman
91 (+7) - Vince
93 (-3) - Hameed

Bowlers

2 (-1) - Anderson
15 (-) - Broad
26 (-2) - Stokes
30 (-2) - Woakes
31 (-2) - Ali
38 (-) - Finn
42 (-) - Roland-Jones
56 (-) - Rashid
73 (-1) - Wood
93 (-2) - Overton
96=(-) - Root
96=(+1) - Dawson

Top 10 at 8 January 2018 (last done 30 Dec 2017)

Batsmen

1 (-) Smith
2 (+2) Root
3 (-1) Kohli
4 (-) Williamson
5 (-2) Pujara
6 (-) Warner
7 (+2) Azhar Ali
8 (+2) Chandimal
9 (-1) Cook
10 (-3) Amla

Bowlers

1 (+1) Rabada
2 (-1) Anderson
3 (-) Jadeja
4 (-) Ashwin
5 (-) Hazlewood
6 (+5) Philander
7 (-1) Herath
8 (-1) Wagner
9=(-1) Starc
9=(-) Lyon

All Rounders at 8 January 2018 (last done 30 Dec 2017)

1 (-) 438 Al Hasan
2 (-) 406 Jadeja
3 (-) 385 Ashwin
4 (-) 358 Stokes
5 (-) 331 Philander
6 (-) 297 Ali
7 (-) 291 Starc
8 (-) 216 Herath
9 (-) 208 Holder
10 (-) 206 Perera

Outside the 100 (last done 30 Dec)
Batting
104 (-2) - Jennings
116 (-2) - Westley
118 (+3) - Broad
131=(+81) - Curran
131=(-2) - Rashid
157 (-1) - Duckett
158 (-) - Roland-Jones
160 (-1) - Overton
167 (-1) - Dawson
176 (-2) - Anderson
184 (-1) - Finn
190 (-2) - Ball
193 (-1) - Ansari
217 NEW - Crane
222 (-1) - Batty

Bowling
110 (-1) - Ansari
113 (-1) - Batty
119 (-1) - Ball
121 (+3) - Curran
130 NEW - Crane
139 (-2) - Cook
140=(-2) - Ballance
140=(-2) - Jennings
140=(-2) - Malan
140=(-2) - Westley
140=(-2) - Vince

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Where's Cummins ranked?
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Old 9th January 2018, 14:00   #3728
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Bowling
110 (-1) - Ansari
113 (-1) - Batty
119 (-1) - Ball
121 (+3) - Curran
139 (-2) - Cook
140=(-2) - Ballance
140=(-2) - Jennings
140=(-2) - Malan
140=(-2) - Westley
140=(-2) - Vince
Crane is no 130.
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Points gained/lost

Root +26
Malan +17
Vince +12
Curran +10
Crane 0
Anderson -5
Ali -11/-11
Bairstow -15
Cook -17
Stoneman -21
Broad -28

Cummins +118
Khawaja +55
S Marsh +48
M Marsh +41/-8
Paine +17
Smith -0
Warner -4
Lyon -2
Hazelwood -5
Starc -13
Bancroft -24
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MRF Tyres ICC Test Team Rankings (as on 9 January, following the conclusion of Australia v England series):

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India 124
South Africa 111
Australia 104 (+7)
New Zealand 100
England 99 (-6)
Sri Lanka 94
Pakistan 88
Windies 72
Bangladesh 72
Zimbabwe 01
I think the NZ series should be a tight series. I'd be bitterly disappointed if England lost but I think the Kiwis have a great chance of turning over. Even though India have a decent seam attack these days I would expect us to beat them in the summer and claw back some points.
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I think the NZ series should be a tight series. I'd be bitterly disappointed if England lost but I think the Kiwis have a great chance of turning over. Even though India have a decent seam attack these days I would expect us to beat them in the summer and claw back some points.
We have to face Pakistan first - with their ranking being so low a drawn series is no use.
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India have to be the most fraudulent top ranked test side since... Pakistan?
There's no standout side with a really strong claim for being the best in the world right now, it's interesting (although usually very boring home win series). Oz and SA are the two most well-equipped sides to my mind to compete in a range of conditions; SA certainly would be the best if you discount all the niggling fitness issues that hit them seemingly constantly (Rabada, De Kock, Elgar and Amla seem their only consistently fit first choice players). Think you have to discount Steyn, really, these days - with him, their bowling attack from their last test is the best in the world, decent wedge ahead of Australia and then a massive gap between the rest who are essentially all only good at home. Without Steyn it's less clear cut, certainly, and in another couple of years without Morkel, Philander, AB and Amla (although he is definitely not the player he was) it will certainly be a much less formidable sight.

Australia have the core of a very good team for the next 5 years or so and will probably be the standout side over that next period (next Ashes will almost certainly be the best chance to win in England since god knows when), but will seemingly have perennial problems filling in at least 3 spots in the top 7 - unless Mitch Marsh has finally arrived as a test cricketer. Paine, SMarsh and Khawaja have had good series but it's hard to see them being staples of the side in 5 years time, given their ages. Warner and Lyon should still be going then, though.
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There's no standout side with a really strong claim for being the best in the world right now, it's interesting (although usually very boring home win series). Oz and SA are the two most well-equipped sides to my mind to compete in a range of conditions; SA certainly would be the best if you discount all the niggling fitness issues that hit them seemingly constantly (Rabada, De Kock, Elgar and Amla seem their only consistently fit first choice players). Think you have to discount Steyn, really, these days - with him, their bowling attack from their last test is the best in the world, decent wedge ahead of Australia and then a massive gap between the rest who are essentially all only good at home. Without Steyn it's less clear cut, certainly, and in another couple of years without Morkel, Philander, AB and Amla (although he is definitely not the player he was) it will certainly be a much less formidable sight.
Not sure the stats back up your theories. SA were pretty comfortably beaten in England last year where notably they had been very strong in the Smith years.

When did Aus last win an away series? In fact, take out W Indies, when did anyone last win an away series outside of their Continent?

I was quite impressed by India's seam attack last week, they at least made it a decent spectacle and will surely remain competitive in the series. They may have made it to Number 1 under fairly tenuous circumstances, but I reckon they probably are about the best team to be competitive in all places. I expect a close series in England this year....
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Not sure the stats back up your theories. SA were pretty comfortably beaten in England last year where notably they had been very strong in the Smith years.

When did Aus last win an away series? In fact, take out W Indies, when did anyone last win an away series outside of their Continent?

I was quite impressed by India's seam attack last week, they at least made it a decent spectacle and will surely remain competitive in the series. They may have made it to Number 1 under fairly tenuous circumstances, but I reckon they probably are about the best team to be competitive in all places. I expect a close series in England this year....
Without Steyn and De Villiers and with a half-fit Philander, but yes - although England in England is not a series any team would expect to win. They also won in Australia, though (possibly the last cross-continent series win?). No side is anything close to dominant at present - we'll see how India do over the next year. Hopefully with Umesh, Rahul and Rahane playing.
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Not sure the stats back up your theories. SA were pretty comfortably beaten in England last year where notably they had been very strong in the Smith years.

When did Aus last win an away series? In fact, take out W Indies, when did anyone last win an away series outside of their Continent?

I was quite impressed by India's seam attack last week, they at least made it a decent spectacle and will surely remain competitive in the series. They may have made it to Number 1 under fairly tenuous circumstances, but I reckon they probably are about the best team to be competitive in all places. I expect a close series in England this year....
South Africa in Australia I think, although conditions between the two are rather similar.
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Test Rankings at 17 January 2018 (last done 8 Jan 2018)
2nd Test South Africa v India

Batsmen

3 (-1) - Root
10 (-1) - Cook
15 (+2) - Bairstow
27 (-) - Stokes
40 (-1) - Ali
51 (+1) - Malan
73 (-) - Ballance
82 (-) - Woakes
87 (-) - Buttler
89 (-) - Stoneman
90 (+1) - Vince
94 (-1) - Hameed

Bowlers

1 (+1) - Anderson
15 (-) - Broad
26 (-) - Stokes
30 (-) - Woakes
31 (-) - Ali
38 (-) - Finn
42 (-) - Roland-Jones
56 (-) - Rashid
74 (-1) - Wood
95 (-2) - Overton
98 (-2) - Dawson
99 (-3) - Root

Top 10 at 17 January 2018 (last done 8 Jan 2018)

Batsmen

1 (-) Smith
2 (+1) Kohli
3 (-1) Root
4 (-) Williamson
5 (+1) Warner
6 (-1) Pujara
7 (-) Azhar Ali
8 (+2) Amla
9 (-1) Chandimal
10 (-1) Cook

Bowlers

1 (+1) Anderson
2 (-1) Rabada
3 (-) Jadeja
4 (+1) Hazlewood
5 (-1) Ashwin
6 (+1) Herath
7 (-1) Philander
8 (-) Wagner
9 (-) Starc
10 (-1) Lyon

All Rounders at 17 January 2018 (last done 8 January 2018)

1 (-) 437 Al Hasan
2 (-) 399 Jadeja
3 (-) 375 Ashwin
4 (-) 357 Stokes
5 (-) 316 Philander
6 (-) 297 Ali
7 (-) 290 Starc
8 (-) 215 Herath
9 (-) 208 Holder
10 (-) 205 Perera

Outside the 100 (last done 8 Jan)
Batting
104 (-) - Jennings
116 (-) - Westley
118 (-) - Broad
131=(-) - Curran
131=(-) - Rashid
157 (-) - Duckett
158 (-) - Roland-Jones
160 (-) - Overton
167 (-) - Dawson
175 (+1) - Anderson
184 (-) - Finn
190 (-) - Ball
193 (-) - Ansari
217 (-) - Crane
222 (-) - Batty

Bowling
111 (-1) - Ansari
114 (-1) - Batty
112 (-1) - Ball
122 (-1) - Curran
130 (-1) - Crane
140 (-1) - Cook
141=(-1) - Ballance
141=(-1) - Jennings
141=(-1) - Malan
141=(-1) - Westley
141=(-1) - Vince

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