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Old 4th March 2009, 17:02   #181
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If they are dropping unfit players, what about Sidebottom?
Well they think he is unfit because of an injury.
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Old 4th March 2009, 17:25   #182
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he'll have to be pretty unfit in more than one way before this public humiliation kicked in - one would hope.
I remember Ormond and Usman Afzal more or less ending their England careers over a similar issue - but what of Harmison and Sidebottom who are both on tour well short of peak condition?
If Samit is the sort of bloke who carries a bit of spare flesh until he gets into his cricket then really are we doing a bit of a blinkered 'rules and regs' thang on the guy? I would hope that the decision to kick him off the tour has been taken when looking at the way he shaped with bat and ball - as opposed to how many squat thrusts he could do in a bleep test or whatever.
If fitness was the only criteria for playing for the EWCB we could just call up the Olympic cox-less four. Be handy if it rained.
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Old 4th March 2009, 17:38   #183
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Patel had a pre Tour fitness Test and was warned to improve his fitness and then had another one on tour and both were said to be unsatisfactory.
If this warning was genuine and by that I mean clear, concise and the possible outcomes were explained then I have little sympathy for Patel.

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Old 4th March 2009, 17:55   #184
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If this warning was genuine and by that I mean clear, concise and the possible outcomes were explained then I have little sympathy for Patel.

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Newell was also told what Patel needed to do six weeks ago. It seems it's about all round fitness and not just body fat.
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Old 4th March 2009, 17:59   #185
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Seemingly deserved, but unfortunate that we're kicking off one of the best one day batsmen in the country. If we could squeeze another full season out of him it'd be great.

Of all the Notts players touted for England I think fans will tell you he is going to be the one who is the real deal. The lad's class and whether or not he loses weight I think he'll be an established member of the middle order by the time the 2010/11 Ashes come round. Repeatedly last season he was just head and shoulders above any other batsmen on the TB wicket, only getting out by holing out. Probably a long term replacement for Colly.
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Old 4th March 2009, 18:12   #186
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Morris said Patel's fitness levels were a source of concern to the old regime of Peter Moores and Kevin Pietersen when they were conducting the one-day campaign in India, but it is under Andrew Strauss and Andy Flower that action has been taken. "It's a harsh lesson and a strong message," added Morris.

That message is designed for several other England players as well as Patel. He is still a peripheral player, who could be regarded, for want of a better phrase, as a soft target. His absence will not matter too much but the fact that England have taken such an unprecedented step is surely designed to alert more established figures that they can take nothing for granted. Patel may be considered the all too visible tip of an iceberg.
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Old 4th March 2009, 18:48   #187
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He'll be dropped as well.
Don't count on it. Flower & Strauss seem to be adopting an "Anyone But Harmison" approach.
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Newell was also told what Patel needed to do six weeks ago. It seems it's about all round fitness and not just body fat.
Fair enough then.
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It's surely for Patel's own good. If he has the desire as well as the talent he will put this right now, just as Flintoff did.

I think that Bell's fitness was also mentioned by Strauss & Flower as something he had to work on, as well as relearning what was required as a batsman. This surprised me as he is one of the more energetic fielders.
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Well it seems they were prepared to take him to NZ unfit and for him to work on his fitness out there but he got even worse. Maybe they gave him a specific target and he didn't meet it.
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It's surely for Patel's own good. If he has the desire as well as the talent he will put this right now, just as Flintoff did.

I think that Bell's fitness was also mentioned by Strauss & Flower as something he had to work on, as well as relearning what was required as a batsman. This surprised me as he is one of the more energetic fielders.
I didn't realise that about Bell. I thought he was in reasonably decent shape (although I don't study his shape as closely as some ), but maybe this is why he keeps on getting out when well set?

I really hope that has been for Patel's sake, and not send a message to Harmison or anyone else (Flintoff?). If Patel does the work expected of him, I'd fully expect him to come straight back in. In fact, I think I said a few days before all this that if he did come back in shape that might tip the scales of test selection in his balance.
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It's surely for Patel's own good. If he has the desire as well as the talent he will put this right now, just as Flintoff did.

I think that Bell's fitness was also mentioned by Strauss & Flower as something he had to work on, as well as relearning what was required as a batsman. This surprised me as he is one of the more energetic fielders.
I thought he had put on weight but seeing him leap into the air at short leg he probably is quite fit.

The fit looking Cook, Strauss, Pietersen, Broad, Anderson, Shah, Collingwood, Rashid, Davies

carrying a few extra pounds
Bell, Swann, Sidebottom, Harmison, Prior, Bopara, Flintoff, Khan, Panesar
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What Samit Patel needs is a new agent.


Why does he even need an agent?
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Why does he even need an agent?
I think it was Flintoff's agent who finally sorted him out.
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Whilst it is disappointing it will probably benefit Patel in the long run and focus his mind on getting fit and staying fit. I suspect that he has been used an easy target to send a message to some of the more established players that need to sort their fitness out (e.g. Harmison and Sidebottom) and to those younger players who aspire to be England players that they need to be physically fit if they want to play for England.
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Morris said Patel's fitness levels were a source of concern to the old regime of Peter Moores and Kevin Pietersen when they were conducting the one-day campaign in India, but it is under Andrew Strauss and Andy Flower that action has been taken. "It's a harsh lesson and a strong message," added Morris.

That message is designed for several other England players as well as Patel. He is still a peripheral player, who could be regarded, for want of a better phrase, as a soft target. His absence will not matter too much but the fact that England have taken such an unprecedented step is surely designed to alert more established figures that they can take nothing for granted. Patel may be considered the all too visible tip of an iceberg.
The public nature of this seems to have been done pour encourager les autres
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The public nature of this seems to have been done pour encourager les autres
I don't know if it will have any effect. Harmison admitted he went to India unfit and that was after being dropped for being unfit in New Zealand. The players in the Test team might think it was to encourage the Lions players to be fit and not really apply to them.

This is the first time I can remember that a played has been de-selected. Players have dropped out of squads due to injuries and if they lose form and are dropped they still stay with the squad. Afzaal and Ormond were unfit when they arrived in India but they stayed on the tour.

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Pietersen, his former captain, believes he is good enough to bat at No 5 in Test cricket - providing he loses weight and gets fitter. He is known as a character who enjoys the social side of cricket, but clearly patience has worn thin.

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I didn't realise that about Bell. I thought he was in reasonably decent shape (although I don't study his shape as closely as some ), but maybe this is why he keeps on getting out when well set?
Decent theory I presume MF, but wasn't it Kim who has been mentioning how unfit Bell has apparently been recently? He has been getting rather upset about the attacks meated out to him on this board.

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Pietersen, his former captain, believes he is good enough to bat at No 5 in Test cricket - providing he loses weight and gets fitter. He is known as a character who enjoys the social side of cricket, but clearly patience has worn thin.
Clearly that hasn't applied to his body shape.
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That was used in the Hate Mail today as well. You didn't really need a punning genius to come up with a headline for this story
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