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Old 5th July 2017, 16:11   #121
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They wouldn't they wouldn't have picked Ballance and they would have batted in the top order not in the middle order. Surprisingly where it looks Ballance will bat.
So you are confirming that they rate Ballance higher than Moeen as a batsman ?

And Dawson is of course the spinner - you don't need 2 at Lords.
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Looking forward to the day when we have 7 batsmen and 4 bowlers.
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Looking forward to the day when we have 7 batsmen and 4 bowlers.
Looks like that is what we have tomorrow Well maybe 6,4 and Stokes.
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Old 5th July 2017, 16:40   #124
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Every wicket-keeper bats at 7 except Bairstow who will be at 5.

Wade de Kock Dickwella Saha Watling Sarfraz Dowrich Rahim Moor
Perera has often batted at 3 and keeps for Sri Lanka, Dickwella sometimes bats 6 and has kept at 5 as well as 7, Rahim bats at 5 for Bangladesh pretty often, Stewart normally batted 6. I believe Bairstow will bat at 6 or 7, depending on the game situation. There isn't any reason for a keeper to be at 7, apart from the traditional make up of a side which was 5 batsmen, an all rounder, a keeper and 4 bowlers. I think De Kock is the only one really in the same batting league as Bairstow and he's always batted at 7.
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If Ali is at 7 then the reason Bairstow, Ballance, Stokes and Root are above him is that the selectors and captain rate them as better batsmen and they want them more time to build a big innings. At 7 you can easily run out of partners.

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So you are confirming that they rate Ballance higher than Moeen as a batsman ?

And Dawson is of course the spinner - you don't need 2 at Lords.
Traditionally England always tried to play 2 at Lords. I think at some point in the 80s it dawned on England that its really a batting wicket and stopped doing it. I've watched Ballance bat in tests recently and he was awful. If he bats well over the summer maybe I will change my mind, but clearly I don't rate him a better batsman than Ali at the moment. I think his style of batting is better suited to going in high in the order because he isn't a player who will naturally bring momentum against an old ball. I think Dawson's style of batting is better suited to 3 than Stokes and Bairstow. It doesn't mean I'd pick him as a number 3!
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If Ali is at 7 then the reason Bairstow, Ballance, Stokes and Root are above him is that the selectors and captain rate them as better batsmen and they want them more time to build a big innings. At 7 you can easily run out of partners.

Not rocket science.
Well quite JM. I don't remember Gilchrist running out of partners at 7 too often though. Then he had Warne and Lee to come. Solid 8-9 I
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If Ali is at 7 then the reason Bairstow, Ballance, Stokes and Root are above him is that the selectors and captain rate them as better batsmen and they want them more time to build a big innings. At 7 you can easily run out of partners.

Not rocket science.
Well quite JM. I don't remember Gilchrist running out of partners at 7 too often though. Then he had Warne and Lee to come. Solid 8-9 I think.
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Well quite JM. I don't remember Gilchrist running out of partners at 7 too often though. Then he had Warne and Lee to come. Solid 8-9 I think.
Gilchrist and McCullum revolutionised how important a 7 could be. Scored runs ridiculously quickly and turned a lot of tests.
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Gilchrist and McCullum revolutionised how important a 7 could be. Scored runs ridiculously quickly and turned a lot of tests.
Gilchrist yes, McCullum less so.
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Gilchrist yes, McCullum less so.
Nearly all keepers though and I think both Bairstow and Moeen are better than 7.
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Nearly all keepers though and I think both Bairstow and Moeen are better than 7.
Overall the debate about who bats where from Ali, Bairstow and Stokes is masking the big problem in the batting line up .... The top 5 haven't scored enough runs consistently. The hope has got to be that the first 5 can improve their collective output.
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Overall the debate about who bats where from Ali, Bairstow and Stokes is masking the big problem in the batting line up .... The top 5 haven't scored enough runs consistently. The hope has got to be that the first 5 can improve their collective output.
Out of curiousity, what is the longest period of consistently having the same top 5 play for England in the last couple of seasons?
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Out of curiousity, what is the longest period of consistently having the same top 5 play for England in the last couple of seasons?
Due to the lack of a reliable partner for Cook we haven't had a top order that's played more than series or two together since 2012.
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