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Old 28th July 2016, 22:11   #61
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Does it have to be a well-known cricketer?
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Old 29th July 2016, 10:36   #62
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Especially given the advanced years of many in the side.
Yes, thank you for spelling that out.
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Old 29th July 2016, 14:06   #63
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Who's Sir Phil? Can't be Tufnell as their are about 100 better spinners to have played international cricket. Edmonds wouldn't be much better.
Phil is in the Tim Bresnan role - good in the dressing room for morale.

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I had you in mind when I did so.
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Old 2nd August 2016, 11:39   #65
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Matt Prior's All Time XI

1 Cook
2 Amla
3 Ponting
4 De Villiers
5 S Waugh
6 Tendulkar
7 Sangakkara
8 Broad
9 Swann
10 Steyn
11 Anderson

No Murali or Warne. The bowling looks very light. Tendulkar at 6.
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Old 2nd August 2016, 12:11   #66
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... The bowling looks very light. Tendulkar at 6.
I think Tendulkar would make a fine no. 6, though in that line-up I think I'd put him at 4 and de Villiers at 6 (with Waugh at 7 and Sanga at 5). Elsewhere in this thread we have been spoiled by teams with fine batting/bowling all-rounders in them, but I think that Prior's quartet should be more than capable of taking 20 wickets regularly; indeed, assuming that Steyn can stay fit, swapping Bresnan or Tremlett (etc.) for him would massively improve the quartet of bowlers who so often did very well when Prior himself was keeping wicket to them. And there's always Waugh to bowl if needed.
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I think Tendulkar would make a fine no. 6, though in that line-up I think I'd put him at 4 and de Villiers at 6 (with Waugh at 7 and Sanga at 5). Elsewhere in this thread we have been spoiled by teams with fine batting/bowling all-rounders in them, but I think that Prior's quartet should be more than capable of taking 20 wickets regularly; indeed, assuming that Steyn can stay fit, swapping Bresnan or Tremlett (etc.) for him would massively improve the quartet of bowlers who so often did very well when Prior himself was keeping wicket to them. And there's always Waugh to bowl if needed.
4 Tendulkar
5 de Villiers
6 Waugh
7 Sangakkara (I assume is keeper so will need a rest after spending days in the field when the 4 bowlers haven't got any wickets)

I am thinking on days like this
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/534225.html
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Old 2nd August 2016, 13:58   #68
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4 Tendulkar
5 de Villiers
6 Waugh
7 Sangakkara (I assume is keeper so will need a rest after spending days in the field when the 4 bowlers haven't got any wickets)

I am thinking on days like this
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/534225.html
Steyn got 7 wickets in that match, and Steve Waugh didn't even get a bowl. But I'll not quibble over where Sanga bats.
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Old 2nd August 2016, 16:59   #69
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I think Tendulkar would make a fine no. 6, though in that line-up I think I'd put him at 4 and de Villiers at 6 (with Waugh at 7 and Sanga at 5). Elsewhere in this thread we have been spoiled by teams with fine batting/bowling all-rounders in them, but I think that Prior's quartet should be more than capable of taking 20 wickets regularly; indeed, assuming that Steyn can stay fit, swapping Bresnan or Tremlett (etc.) for him would massively improve the quartet of bowlers who so often did very well when Prior himself was keeping wicket to them. And there's always Waugh to bowl if needed.
I much prefer your batting order.
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Old 5th August 2016, 22:53   #70
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I'm only going to base mine on those playing Test cricket currently, i'll probs change my mind later on the selection but hey ho i'll give it a shot:

Cook
Warner
Root
Kohli (C)
AB De Villiers
De Kock (Wk)
Stokes
Ashwin
Starc
Anderson
Hazlewood

I found it hard to pick a wicket keeper and leaving Smith out was a very hard decision. However I wanted an all rounder and Stokes for me is the perfect choice for that role currently.
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I'm only going to base mine on those playing Test cricket currently, i'll probs change my mind later on the selection but hey ho i'll give it a shot:

Cook
Warner
Root
Kohli (C)
AB De Villiers
De Kock (Wk)
Stokes
Ashwin
Starc
Anderson
Hazlewood

I found it hard to pick a wicket keeper and leaving Smith out was a very hard decision. However I wanted an all rounder and Stokes for me is the perfect choice for that role currently.
Decent side that, just a few minor quibbles. Smith is miles better than Kohli in tests and Broad is a class above both Starc and Hazelwood. Honourable mention for Rabada who I think will develop into the best seamer in the world over the next couple of years. QDK versus JB is probably a close run thing too, although I'd probably go for the former too on the strength of his superior glove work. Yasir versus Ashwin is a tight call too although Ashwin's batting at #8 certainly helps his cause. Both would play on pitches with help for the spinners.

Cook
Warner
Root
Smith
ABdV
Stokes
De Kock
Ashwin
Broad
Rabada
Anderson
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Stark ahead of Rabada for me: both lots of potential but one of them has come much closer to realising it. You've also forgotten about Chris Woakes or possibly got confused into putting Stokes as their names rhyme.
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Stark ahead of Rabada for me: both lots of potential but one of them has come much closer to realising it. You've also forgotten about Chris Woakes or possibly got confused into putting Stokes as their names rhyme.
I love Woakesy don't get me wrong but he's done it in 1 and 3/4 series over one summer, whereas Stokes has been consistently one of the best all rounders (if not the best) in Test cricket for a number of years now. It'll be very interesting to see how Woakes does over in India. Those are very very tough conditions out there for any player and plus being so far away from home for months can take it's toll on a player mentally.
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I love Woakesy don't get me wrong but he's done it in 1 and 3/4 series over one summer, whereas Stokes has been consistently one of the best all rounders (if not the best) in Test cricket for a number of years now. It'll be very interesting to see how Woakes does over in India. Those are very very tough conditions out there for any player and plus being so far away from home for months can take it's toll on a player mentally.
Stokes made his debut December 2013 and averages 33.23 with the bat and 37.58 with the ball.

Stokes has 60 wickets to Woakes' 39 wickets.

I'm not sure the point I'm making as I don't have an issue with Stokes being in that XI, maybe it's pick both of them? I actually think they complement each other very well and are what makes England (along with Bairstow and Ali's batting) such a formidable side. Has there ever been a better set of all-rounders in a side in test history?
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I'm not sure the point I'm making as I don't have an issue with Stokes being in that XI, maybe it's pick both of them? I actually think they complement each other very well and are what makes England (along with Bairstow and Ali's batting) such a formidable side. Has there ever been a better set of all-rounders in a side in test history?
Armstrong, Macartney, Kelleway and Jack Gregory in the great Aussie side of 1920/21.

Barlow, Procter, Goddard, Lindsay in the late 60s SA side.

England's best ever was possibly Jackson, Hirst, Rhodes, Jessop and Braund, from the 1902 Ashes series.

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Armstrong, Macartney, Kelleway and Jack Gregory in the great Aussie side of 1920/21.

Barlow, Procter, Goddard, Lindsay in the late 60s SA side.

England's best ever was possibly Jackson, Hirst, Rhodes, Jessop and Braund, from the 1902 Ashes series.
Have to go a long way back then! Think it's probably a statistical anomaly rather than anything by design although there are a few kicking around in county cricket too - Rashid, SCurran, Ansari, D'Oliveira, Jordan and at the older end Bresnan, Clarke, St*v*ns...
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Have to go a long way back then! Think it's probably a statistical anomaly rather than anything by design although there are a few kicking around in county cricket too - Rashid, SCurran, Ansari, D'Oliveira, Jordan and at the older end Bresnan, Clarke, St*v*ns...
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I love Woakesy don't get me wrong but he's done it in 1 and 3/4 series over one summer, whereas Stokes has been consistently one of the best all rounders (if not the best) in Test cricket for a number of years now. It'll be very interesting to see how Woakes does over in India. Those are very very tough conditions out there for any player and plus being so far away from home for months can take it's toll on a player mentally.
I wasn't being all that serious but as gbg points out, Stokes hasn't actually been dominating world cricket with bat or ball and what he has achieved has hardly been over a number of years, unless that number is two or three. Like gbg, I think Stokes is a good player but I think Woakes is better, as is Ashwin, even though I feel home pitches really flatter his bowling.
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Also neither Woakes or Ashwin appear to be made of glass which might help
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