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Old 31st August 2016, 16:14   #121
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I'll probably post an all time XI at a later date but my current test XI would probably be something like:

1. Cook Eng
2. de Kock (wk) SA
3. Amla SA
4. Root Eng
5. Kohli Ind
6. Misbah (c) Pak
7. Ashwin Ind
8. Woakes Eng
9. Shah Pak
10. Starc Aus
11. Boult NZ

Edit: Going to put up a limitedo vers XI too

1. Warner Aus
2. de Kock SA
3. Amla SA
4. Root Eng
5. Kohli Ind
6. Buttler wk Eng
7. Ali Eng
8. Stokes Eng
9. Shakib Bang
10. Boult NZ
11. Rabada SA
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Old 31st August 2016, 17:20   #122
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Has Starc bowled well in tests before the most recent series?
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Old 31st August 2016, 18:17   #123
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I'll probably post an all time XI at a later date but my current test XI would probably be something like:

1. Cook Eng
2. de Kock (wk) SA
3. Amla SA
4. Root Eng
5. Kohli Ind
6. Misbah (c) Pak
7. Ashwin Ind
8. Woakes Eng
9. Shah Pak
10. Starc Aus
11. Boult NZ
Welcome!

Surprised by your test XI.

No Williamson and Boult over Steyn are ballsy moves.
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Old 31st August 2016, 22:56   #124
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I rate Starc, Boult and Woakes extremely highly but of the three of them, Boult is the only one to have sustained test success for anything like long enough to be considered for my world test XI. Woakes might sneak in as an all rounder, I suppose, as you can then pick three proper fast bowlers plus the two spinners. Can't see past Steyn and Broad as my specialist quicks though. Anderson and Broad are on a par overall but if conditions are going to suit Anderson, Steyn will quite likely bowl a side out on his own anyway. Hmm, I think mine is:

Root
Warner
Amla
Williamson (*)
Smith
De Kock (+)
Woakes
Ashwin
Broad
Steyn
Shah

That Woakes is batting above a man who's recently batted 6 for India may tell you that I'm a bit of a fanboy but then Woakes is a good man to be a fanboy of right now.

It's clearly a stretch putting Root in ahead of Cook to open but I'm not leaving any of the top 4 ICC rated batsmen out of the side and I think Root is just a better batsman than Cook at the moment, wherever he plays in the order. He's pretty close to just having had a summer of opening anyway. I don't mind Cook in for Root and omitting Amla or Williamson but I wouldn't.

Honourable mentions to Anderson, Boult (but same arguments to be made against him and he's an even more markedly inferior batsman to Broad than Anderson is, if you need another reason), Stokes and Bairstow but Woakes is I think a better all rounder than the rhyming alternative and Jonny drops too many chances.
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Old 1st September 2016, 10:29   #125
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Welcome!

Surprised by your test XI.

No Williamson and Boult over Steyn are ballsy moves.
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Williamson could easily slot in where Root/Kohli are. With regards to Steyn, he has a great reputation but it's been years since I've seen him at his best. Didn't he just pick up his first 5-for in 2 years?

Steyn is on a downwards trajectory whereas Boult can only get better.
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Old 1st September 2016, 10:37   #126
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Ok, think I'll go for an all time XI here. Sticking to tests for now:

1. Matthew Hayden Aus
2. Len Hutton Eng
3. Don Bradman Aus
4. Sachin Tendulkar Ind
5. Viv Richards WI
6. Gary Sobers WI
7. Imran Khan Pak
8. Adam Gilchrist Aus
9. Wasim Akram Pak
10. Shane Warne Aus
11. Curtly Ambrose WI

12th man - Glenn McGrath
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Old 1st September 2016, 15:05   #127
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Williamson could easily slot in where Root/Kohli are. With regards to Steyn, he has a great reputation but it's been years since I've seen him at his best. Didn't he just pick up his first 5-for in 2 years?

Steyn is on a downwards trajectory whereas Boult can only get better.
Fair enough. Boult played himself out of my world XI - he struggled against Australia and now South Africa. He's a major talent but as he hasn't been around for as long he has less credit to play with. Steyn may be on a downwards trajectory but few have ever ascended so far from which to begin their descent.

I'd take Williamson probably over Amla in that line-up. I think Amla's very good rather than great. Kane maybe the second coming of Sanga.
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Old 1st September 2016, 16:49   #128
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Fair enough. Boult played himself out of my world XI - he struggled against Australia and now South Africa. He's a major talent but as he hasn't been around for as long he has less credit to play with. Steyn may be on a downwards trajectory but few have ever ascended so far from which to begin their descent.

I'd take Williamson probably over Amla in that line-up. I think Amla's very good rather than great. Kane maybe the second coming of Sanga.
I can fully understand your point about Steyn so won't argue much on that.

Amla however, is a genuinely great batsmen, how many batsmen have scored 20+ centuries in both major formats of the game, averaged 50+ in both and gone on to hit a triple? Williamson is exceptionally talented, very well schooled and could be a future great but in advocating for Williamson, you can't put down one of the top 5 batsmen of the last half a decade plus.
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Old 22nd September 2016, 01:23   #129
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James Franklin's All Time XI

1 Cook
2 Astle
3 Tendulkar
4 Lara
5 R Sharma
6 Symonds
7 McCullum
8 Harbhajan
9 Lee
10 Johnson
11 Bond
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Old 22nd September 2016, 06:02   #130
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James Franklin's All Time XI

1 Cook
2 Astle
3 Tendulkar
4 Lara
5 R Sharma
6 Symonds
7 McCullum
8 Harbhajan
9 Lee
10 Johnson
11 Bond
Rohit Sharma and Harbhajan? Did he play for Mumbai in IPL?
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Old 23rd September 2016, 14:08   #131
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This is the nineties England XI that Emma John interviews in her book "Following On" (I've rearranged them into a batting order):

Atherton*
Stewart
Hussain
Ramprakash
Thorpe
Crawley
Russell+
Cork
Caddick
Tufnell
Mullally
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Old 24th September 2016, 08:29   #132
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Old 26th September 2016, 14:49   #133
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India All Time XI chosen by Cricinfo readers

1 Gavaskar
2 Sehwag
3 Dravid
4 Tendulkar
5 Laxman
6 Dhoni
7 Kapil Dev
8 Ashwin
9 Kumble
10 Srinath
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Old 26th September 2016, 14:57   #134
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1 Gavaskar
2 Sehwag
3 Dravid
4 Tendulkar
5 Laxman
6 Dhoni
7 Kapil Dev
8 Ashwin
9 Kumble
10 Srinath
11 Khan
So, basically, a fairly recent India team plus Sunny and Kapil.
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Old 26th September 2016, 15:45   #135
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So, basically, a fairly recent India team plus Sunny and Kapil.
Surprised no Bedi or Chandrashekar?
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Surprised no Bedi or Chandrashekar?
Or Gupte.

And with the best spinners surely has to come Kirmani.
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Or Gupte.

And with the best spinners surely has to come Kirmani.
I'm surprised that Dhoni gets in, he was never particularly that good a batsman for the time that he played let alone keeper. I guess the young Indian generation that have computers probably won't recall players from the 70s and before. Just a guess mind.
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players I enjoy atm XI

Cook
Vijay
Williamson
Smith
Rahane
Azhar Ali
Sarfraz
Woakes
Steyn
Herath
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Vijay? Hmmm, I like my own side's obdurate openers if they get runs but not generally any others. If I were to pick an obdurate Indian I'd go for the classier Pujara, myself. Where's Ballance in there?
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