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Old 29th October 2015, 16:01   #21
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OK. But now I'm newly curious about the GBG led narrative about the alleged ECB led narrative about KP. So since we've got a few days to kill before the next test, why don't you tell us what you mean?
He across as rather a good team mate in Root's account. Happy to help the younger players develop as better players.

This is contrary to the general idea put out there by the ECB through their leaking (eg the dodgy dossier) and private briefing.
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Old 29th October 2015, 16:27   #22
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I doubt it's significant. I suppose Pietersen may have had the odd day off during his time with England.
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Old 29th October 2015, 17:24   #23
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How soon do you know if a batsman is goiing to make it in Test cricket?

Cook - 17 Tests 48.78 6 100s
Root - 16 Tests 43.33 3 100s - first 200
Bell - 16 Tests 47.75 4 100s
Ballance 15 Tests 47.76 - 4 100s
Trott 14 Tests 59.95 - 4 100s
Pietersen 13 Tests 50.12 4 100s


Is there hope for Bairstow who would probably be a batsman/wicketkeeper. As a pure batsman it doesn't look likely.

Bairstow 19 Tests 26.73 - 0 100s

Morgan 16 Tests 30.43 - 2 100s
Bopara 13 Tests 31.94 - 3 100s
It's looking unlikely. If you include Buttler and Ali they have one hundred in 49 matches between them, compared to Ballance who has 4 in 15 matches. I think England have to reintegrate Taylor and Ballance into the side in the long term.
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Old 30th October 2015, 01:34   #24
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It's looking unlikely. If you include Buttler and Ali they have one hundred in 49 matches between them, compared to Ballance who has 4 in 15 matches. I think England have to reintegrate Taylor and Ballance into the side in the long term.
Yes.

Also I wouldn't go with Buttler or Bairstow as the keeper. I would pick Ben Brown, 1031 runs last season, 4 100s.
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Old 30th October 2015, 10:31   #25
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Also I wouldn't go with Buttler or Bairstow as the keeper. I would pick Ben Brown, 1031 runs last season, 4 100s.
Good shout, Brown can actually keep to a decent standard as well. I'm not as convinced that he could make the step us as I was with Prior but he could be worth a go.
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Old 9th January 2016, 21:37   #26
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I enjoyed this, about Gordon Greenidge's last test century, vs Australia:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blo...l-on-australia
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Thanks Sans, much appreciated.
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Cheers Sans, I enjoyed that a lot too. I did love Viv's mentioning of the idea that any emnity on the pitch could be settled by a can of Toohey's off the pitch given the fractious nature of the series. I would rather think that a Toohey's would be a way of only inflaming such emnity. I don't know what is worse out of that or VB!
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Old 10th January 2016, 10:22   #29
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Thanks for the link. Anyone read the collection it's from?
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Old 18th January 2016, 14:24   #30
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Every time I see Kane Williamson bat he looks sublime. I know there are a few big Steve Smith fans on here, but for me Williamson and Root look head and shoulders above the rest at the minute.
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I don't think there are any Steve Smith fans on here, just people who don't believe that a couple of bad tests for the leading run scorer and player of the year in international cricket in 2015 means he's been found out, that's all.

Those same people would probably agree with you that both The Demon Kane and Root are better to watch.
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Old 18th January 2016, 16:02   #32
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To be fair to Smith his form hasn't dipped since he took over the captaincy. I think he scored a couple of tones against NZ and WI, but so did most of the Australians.
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Old 19th January 2016, 11:50   #34
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Agree with Ali TT, Smith may not be as technically gorgeous as Williamson and Root (who is?) but he's been an exceptional batsman for a couple of years of test cricket. Of course he's worse against the moving ball but again, so are others and he's not been as guilty of failing to go in after a start as Root, Williamson and AB.
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Old 22nd January 2016, 20:26   #35
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Good to see Amla return to form. Might not be the flashiest batsman around but he has been one of the best in recent years and he might return to his best now he relinquished the captaincy.
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Old 26th January 2016, 15:12   #36
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Batting for long period of times is a dying art. All the more reason to enjoy the final few who still practice the discipline while they are still in the game.
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The most talked about young batsmen.

Tests

41 Tests 3852 runs at 60.18 HS215 14 100s 16 50s - Smith (26)
39 Tests 3406 runs at 54.93 HS200* 9 100s 19 50s - Root (25)
48 Tests 4037 runs at 49.23 HS242* 13 100s 19 50s - Williamson (25)
41 Tests 2994 runs at 44.02 HS169 11 100s 12 50s - Kohli (27)

ODIs

171 ODIs 7212 runs at 51.51 HS183 25 100s 36 50s - Kohli
93 ODIs 3666 runs at 47.00 HS145* 7 100s 25 50s - Williamson
68 ODIs 2572 runs at 44.34 HS125 8 100s 12 50s - Root
72 ODIs 2082 runs at 40.03 HS149 5 100s 9 50s - Smith

20/20s

42 20/20s 1552 runs at 55.42 HS90* 15 50s - Kohli
18 20/20s 513 runs at 36.64 HS90* 3 50s - Root
34 20/20s 935 runs at 34.62 HS72* 5 50s - Williamson
30 20/20s 431 runs at 21.55 HS90 2 50s - Smith
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Old 28th March 2016, 14:17   #38
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The stats say that Smith is the best Test batsman, but the worse limited overs players, while Kohli is the best limited overs batsman but worse Test player, with Root and Williamson consisting the in all formats. I'm not sure how much Smiths average is bumped up by playing a lot of games against NZ and WI. In terms of watchability, I would argue Smith is some way behind the other three.
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Is Kohli still considered a young batsman?
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I don't think there are any Steve Smith fans on here, just people who don't believe that a couple of bad tests for the leading run scorer and player of the year in international cricket in 2015 means he's been found out, that's all.

Those same people would probably agree with you that both The Demon Kane and Root are better to watch.

I'm a Steve Smith fan, top class player and always great to watch.
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