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Old 25th April 2016, 08:08   #101
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Lol, where's the Australia thread so I can criticise Smith's ridiculously leg side technique and lay into his IPL form?
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Old 25th April 2016, 08:25   #102
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Last time I looked this thread was titled "Batting and Batsmen thread" and it is in the International Cricket Forum so what's to stop you "laying into" him here ?
And you must be one hell of a batsman because that guy you want to lay into is one of the top ranked batsman in the world at the moment. Maybe you can give him some advice to improve his game lol.
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Old 25th April 2016, 11:24   #103
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http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/sto...n-you-re-eight

To slightly digress from the above, here is an article about test cricketing no.8s. I didn't catch a mention of whether or not the position was pivotal or not though!
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Old 25th April 2016, 13:36   #104
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Lol, where's the Australia thread so I can criticise Smith's ridiculously leg side technique and lay into his IPL form?
Success in the IPL has never been measured in runs Fatslogger. lol

effort expended/$$$ gained = success factor.
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Old 25th April 2016, 15:51   #105
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http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/sto...n-you-re-eight

To slightly digress from the above, here is an article about test cricketing no.8s. I didn't catch a mention of whether or not the position was pivotal or not though!
Perhaps it's simply taken as read by the cricketing cognoscenti.
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Old 25th April 2016, 17:30   #106
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Success in the IPL has never been measured in runs Fatslogger. lol

effort expended/$$$ gained = success factor.
Is that why his bowling has gone the way it has: keep IPL work load low and cash per calorie expended high?
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Old 25th April 2016, 17:43   #107
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To slightly digress from the above, here is an article about test cricketing no.8s. I didn't catch a mention of whether or not the position was pivotal or not though!
No mention of Andy Caddick
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Old 25th April 2016, 21:19   #108
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No mention of Andy Caddick
Nor of how disappointing non-Lord Faulkner was in the recent 2020 thingumy ...
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Old 26th April 2016, 04:31   #109
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Nor of how disappointing non-Lord Faulkner was in the recent 2020 thingumy ...
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Feel better now ?
Much better now that I've read your gratuitous abusive private message. I'm putting you on "ignore" now. Bye bye.
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Old 26th April 2016, 10:57   #111
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Is that why his bowling has gone the way it has: keep IPL work load low and cash per calorie expended high?
Leggies seem a thing of the past (good ones at least, everything seems to favour batsmen these days anyway). To be honest I have never watched an IPL match. I watched a bit of our local stuff and realised, it's crap. Lots of mediocrity and an easy way to make money. I don't look down on anyone for it though. Which would still make me a cricketing snob, but I don't see how the IPL would be different.

I fear for test cricket. I actually think the Aussies deserve to be no1 at the moment. Not because they are good, so much as they might have been slightly better over the relevant time period (if we are still no1 by the time we tour India, we won't be when we leave...4-0). I consider our current side similar in ability to those of the mid '80's, which isn't saying much for the standard of the day.

The Windies already don't deserve to be playing the top Nations. Many countries are simply following the money and giving lip service to test cricket (including CA). Strangely, it pains me to say this and I don't want it to sound like a compliment, but the poms are about the only ones taking test cricket seriously. I suppose there will always be the Ashes, but I can see the day when that will be about it.
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Old 26th April 2016, 21:49   #112
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Not sure the IPL is great quality but it's harmless enough match fixing, err fun.

I understand the concerns over test cricket and it's very sad that WI can't really put a sensible side out but I don't think it as bad as all that. There are some good sides out there too.
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Old 27th April 2016, 07:08   #113
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Not sure the IPL is great quality but it's harmless enough match fixing, err fun.

I understand the concerns over test cricket and it's very sad that WI can't really put a sensible side out but I don't think it as bad as all that. There are some good sides out there too.
The side that went to Australia at the turn of the year was truly awful though. It really was on a level with Bangladesh/Zimbabwe of a few years ago if not even worse. That's why it is silly to get excited about individual achievements made against them.

In fairness, several players who should have been in that squad were playing Big Bash as mentioned above. It was a mockery of a test series.
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Old 27th April 2016, 07:24   #114
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Ah, I meant test cricket overall wasn't in such awful shape. That WI side was very poor, yes.
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Ah, I meant test cricket overall wasn't in such awful shape. That WI side was very poor, yes.
I've got to admit I have several concerns. The lack of money in test cricket could quite easily see West Indies, Sri Lanka and the like veer away from playing very much in the future. South Africa appears beset with problems too and how long before some of their more marketable stars decide to leave the longer form of the game to chase the dollar? Maty, if he is around has had his concerns. Then you have Pakistan, talent in abundance but will they ever have the proper stage to develop their skills given that international cricket is some time away from returning there properly?

The Banglas seem to be getting their act together at last but will they not also have issues in keeping their players happy if the more talented younger lot are not encouraged to take up offers in t20 leagues?
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The hope is that the money in T20 cricket is used sensibly enough that it actually supports other forms of the game, especially tests. I think there's a danger of harking back to previous allegedly golden eras that all had their own concerns, some of them with greater weight than the current ones. There's never been a period of test cricks with all the major sides that competitive. Yes the overall standard especially of fast bowling isn't now what it was a decade or two ago but there are some very honourable exceptions and batting is as exciting as I ever remember it being.
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The hope is that the money in T20 cricket is used sensibly enough that it actually supports other forms of the game, especially tests. I think there's a danger of harking back to previous allegedly golden eras that all had their own concerns, some of them with greater weight than the current ones. There's never been a period of test cricks with all the major sides that competitive. Yes the overall standard especially of fast bowling isn't now what it was a decade or two ago but there are some very honourable exceptions and batting is as exciting as I ever remember it being.
I'll have to admit to have being hugely underwhelmed by the standard of cricket overall in the Ashes series last year. Sure there are some very good players but the skill set when either put under pressure or when the ball had the temerity to move off the straight left me somewhat cold. I'm talking as much about England's non performances at Lord's and the Oval as much as the collapses at Edgbaston/Trent Bridge by the Aussies. That and the other series between England and India or Aus and India are also test series that have done little for me. Ironically I really enjoyed the England series v Pak in the UAE despite the defeat. There was at least a sense of purpose about our batting that hadn't been shown for a long time in such conditions and that the Anderson and Broad were superb in such unhelpful conditions. Less said about the spinner though.....................

I can also talk about the good stuff shown by the younger elements in the England side in South Africa but even then some of the choices made early series by the SA selectors in terms of their opening batsman and putting AB behind the sticks clearly impinged upon a side weakened by the absence of two key strike bowlers.
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The decline of Sri Lanka seems to be Test crickets next problem. If they don't replace the players they've lost, which will be difficult seeing as they were a golden generation and the Sri Lnkan first class system isn't great, then they could be another Windies. That will mean 4 of the 10 Test Nations will effectively be uncompetitive.
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The decline of Sri Lanka seems to be Test crickets next problem. If they don't replace the players they've lost, which will be difficult seeing as they were a golden generation and the Sri Lnkan first class system isn't great, then they could be another Windies. That will mean 4 of the 10 Test Nations will effectively be uncompetitive.
Sri Lanka isn't a big country but its first class system is pretty good, I think. I wouldn't claim I have no concerns but I wouldn't expect a WI type spiral of decline.
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People have at times a schizoid view on test cricket. Sometimes we want it to be expanded to more teams, regardless of their ability to compete but then we hark back to golden eras, say the 70s or 80s, when there were only 6 or 7 teams playing anyway.

At the moment test cricket is in an odd situation. We have no dominant side, and the top four or five are on paper evenly matched. Yet at the same time, matches and series between them have been very one-sided and as Chin says, the quality at times very poor. SA and SL are going through a period of rebuilding while England and Australia are coming to a peak. It will always now be a concern that distractions at home might mean Pakistan and India will never be able to focus on the longer format.
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