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Old 27th May 2017, 22:21   #1
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Top notch fielding sides

After today's win against SA I thought we should have a a thread where we picked a top notch side who were excellent at their job as a bat/bowler but were a waste of time in the field. Against players who were top gun fielders but never quite made it as a top class international. e.g.

Does anybody remember Colin Bland, Jonty Rhodes, Derek Randall, Paul Collingwood? As brilliant fielders who could save your side 50 runs in the field, but never quite did it in the in their chosen field.

Alternatively I do remember the likes of Monty, Gatting or Imzi who could bat/bowl but were truly not worth their place as a fielder. Tuffnell is obviously going to get into that team. And Derek Underwood. Bob Willis?

I post this without any predjudice (sp?) but if I were the SA captain tonight, I would have the entire squad out on the field for fielding practice.
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Old 28th May 2017, 07:54   #2
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After today's win against SA I thought we should have a a thread where we picked a top notch side who were excellent at their job as a bat/bowler but were a waste of time in the field. Against players who were top gun fielders but never quite made it as a top class international. e.g.

Does anybody remember Colin Bland, Jonty Rhodes, Derek Randall, Paul Collingwood? As brilliant fielders who could save your side 50 runs in the field, but never quite did it in the in their chosen field.

Alternatively I do remember the likes of Monty, Gatting or Imzi who could bat/bowl but were truly not worth their place as a fielder. Tuffnell is obviously going to get into that team. And Derek Underwood. Bob Willis?

I post this without any predjudice (sp?) but if I were the SA captain tonight, I would have the entire squad out on the field for fielding practice.
In terms of very fine fielders, and just to get GBG going, I remember Rhodes, Randall and the young Colly for sure. Bit harsh on Randall and Colly who both had pretty decent careers as test batsmen. Ponting when he was younger was a very fine fielder and Mark Waugh was a great slip fielder as far as the Australians were concerned. As a rule Asian fielders were normally pretty rubbish but Azharuddin from India was pretty good and Sri Lanka bucked the trend in 1996 when they won the world cup. New Zealand used to produce a pack of brilliant fielders, Ken Rutherford being the most outstanding that I recall and they've usually been up to decent standards. Zimbabwe too were a fine fielding team in the 90s when they first came into test cricket. Grant Flower was pretty amazing from them.

Gus Fraser was a rather immobile old lump from England in the field, and a player I loathed more than anyone was Bill Athey, not that he was much of a batsman in any case. He got far more games than he should have done back in the 80s and he had a dodgy shoulder which meant he couldn't throw the ball. In fact I remember quite a few sides from the late 80s and early 90s from England that had the likes of him, Gower and Robin Smith later in his career all of whom had poor shoulders and no arm. I am struggling to remember too many Aussie or Saffer batsmen who were poor fielders even the likes of Mark Taylor and David Boon were good either in the slip cordon or at short leg. Again the least proficient fielders tended to come from South Asia.
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Fat Gatt is a bit anomalous in the original list, in that he wasn't actually a good batsman, although he was a terrible fielder, for sure. I'd take Colly or Randall ahead of him just as batsmen, let alone as complete players. While it's a little harsh on his fielding, which just wasn't very good as opposed to being God awful, I'd be tempted to take Thorpe as a specialist batsman, as his batting was excellent. Still don't think he quite gets the love he deserves as a batsman.

Since Jimmy Anderson got good at bowling, hard to think of a bowling specialist fielder although there are certainly plenty who were okay at bowling and terrible in the field, especially among the spinners. Hard to look past Panesar for that slot, even with Tuffers as competition.
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I remember a number of great West Indian pace bowlers who used to jog around the outfield and half-heartedly stick out a big boot if the ball came their way. Wasn't it Walsh who couldn't throw the ball and had to lob it in using a bowling action?
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I remember a number of great West Indian pace bowlers who used to jog around the outfield and half-heartedly stick out a big boot if the ball came their way. Wasn't it Walsh who couldn't throw the ball and had to lob it in using a bowling action?
Both Courtney and Curtley would probably be shoo-ins for a Crap fielding XI. Monty and Tuffers get the spin job. Imzi has to captain the team.
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Fat Gatt is a bit anomalous in the original list, in that he wasn't actually a good batsman, although he was a terrible fielder, for sure. I'd take Colly or Randall ahead of him just as batsmen, let alone as complete players. While it's a little harsh on his fielding, which just wasn't very good as opposed to being God awful, I'd be tempted to take Thorpe as a specialist batsman, as his batting was excellent. Still don't think he quite gets the love he deserves as a batsman.

Since Jimmy Anderson got good at bowling, hard to think of a bowling specialist fielder although there are certainly plenty who were okay at bowling and terrible in the field, especially among the spinners. Hard to look past Panesar for that slot, even with Tuffers as competition.
Chris Jordan for the bowling specialist fielder in his few test appearances anyway.

Great love for Thorpe as a batsman I may be remembering incorrectly but I though he was a pretty good fielder when he was younger wasn't it just his shoulder injury that messed up his fielding?
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Chris Jordan for the bowling specialist fielder in his few test appearances anyway.

Great love for Thorpe as a batsman I may be remembering incorrectly but I though he was a pretty good fielder when he was younger wasn't it just his shoulder injury that messed up his fielding?
I seem to remember a clip of Thorpe kicking a dropped cricket ball to the boundary from slip but not sure if he was the culprit.
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I think we should have our beloved MPV as one opener in our CrapFielder XI. It's difficult to think of other opener's who were p*** poor in the field. Boycott?I mean there are a wealth of fast bowlers and spinners to choose from. I never rated Gilchrist as a keeper, (and hey, I go back to the days of Wally Grout) so I have him pencilled in the lower order.
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I think we should have our beloved MPV as one opener in our CrapFielder XI. It's difficult to think of other opener's who were p*** poor in the field. Boycott?I mean there are a wealth of fast bowlers and spinners to choose from. I never rated Gilchrist as a keeper, (and hey, I go back to the days of Wally Grout) so I have him pencilled in the lower order.
Nah, Gilchrist was a very good keeper in the end, and kept well to Shane Warne. There have been recent alternatives who fit your criteria better (Dhoni, Prior) but surely a special mention is needed for Kamran Akmal.
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I think we should have our beloved MPV as one opener in our CrapFielder XI. It's difficult to think of other opener's who were p*** poor in the field. Boycott?I mean there are a wealth of fast bowlers and spinners to choose from. I never rated Gilchrist as a keeper, (and hey, I go back to the days of Wally Grout) so I have him pencilled in the lower order.
Athey is my crap opening fielder. However if we go back to 1996 and India's tour here, I remember their opener Vikram Rathore who was equally useless with the bat as he was in the slips.
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Chris Jordan for the bowling specialist fielder in his few test appearances anyway.
Beaten to it.

Are we choosing captaincy on captaincy skills or on how much better they were at fielding than at batting/bowling? If the former then he's my captain with Andrew Symonds as vice captain (his experience of vice should serve him well).

Maybe James Taylor as a batsman as well? I think he would eventually have come good with the bat but a test average of just 26 yet he was almost worth his place for his (very) short leg fielding alone.


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I think we should have our beloved MPV as one opener in our CrapFielder XI. It's difficult to think of other opener's who were p*** poor in the field. Boycott?I mean there are a wealth of fast bowlers and spinners to choose from. I never rated Gilchrist as a keeper, (and hey, I go back to the days of Wally Grout) so I have him pencilled in the lower order.
I'm going Akmal for keeper, just haven't decided which one. Think there could be a big Pakistani representation in this XI.

Also Vaughan had one of the worst pair of hands but one of the best arms. Not in terms of strength but accuracy. I think I'm right in saying that he's actually got the most run outs for England.
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Akmal eh? Not quite an Adam Gilchrist with the bat though. I would have to put Collingwood, Rhodes and Bland in the fielders XI. Randall also
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Akmal eh? Not quite an Adam Gilchrist with the bat though.
True, but Gilchrist was a far superior keeper.
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Surely if the plan is to fill a team with terrible fielders, Geraint "Akmal" Jones is a natural pick for the keeper's spot?
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Chris Read would be the pick for the specialist fielders. Always felt he shouldn't have lost his place to Jones...
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Chris Read would be the pick for the specialist fielders. Always felt he shouldn't have lost his place to Jones...
Because he should have lost it to Foster?
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Chris Read would be the pick for the specialist fielders. Always felt he shouldn't have lost his place to Jones...
I'm not quite sure now but I think the original remit of this thread was excellent in one discipline, God awful in the other. In which case I agree Read would feature.
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Nah, Gilchrist was a very good keeper in the end, and kept well to Shane Warne. There have been recent alternatives who fit your criteria better (Dhoni, Prior) but surely a special mention is needed for Kamran Akmal.
Somebody mentioned Alec Stewart to me as England's worst ever keeper (as such) She is a Surrey fan and was well thought of in the ladies county teams. Played for Norfolk quite a bit back in the day. By Aussie standards, can you think of a worse keeper than Gilchrist. Shane warne has him about 5th in the list of Aussie keepers that he has played with. Of course you would want him in your side as a bat. Up against some stiff competition in the keeping stakes though. Kamran Akmal? I think you have a contender there.
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I'm not quite sure now but I think the original remit of this thread was excellent in one discipline, God awful in the other. In which case I agree Read would feature.
Read would certainly be in the mix. A lot of the players would not be described as "dire" in the field. In the same way a lot of sparkling fielders would not be described as bad with bat or ball. We are looking for 2 XIs. One absolutely sh*t hot in the field but not quite the people you would consider in a top World XI for batting/bowling. The other team, the opposition, shone with the bat and ball but were people you had to hide in the field. I need names for the 2 teams but you get the picture.

If I put Collingwood, Rhodes, Bland in the Fielders XI, it in no way denigrates their batting ability. They were worth 30 runs per innings on top of what they scored with the bat anyway. For the other team, you can have players of consummate ability as batsmen or bowlers where you may as well have had a plank of wood in the field. Andy Caddick springs to mind. I'm sure our Asian friends could remind us of a few there. Imzaman Ul Haq springs to mind, as does Phil Tufnell and Monty Panesar. Bishan Bedi? Chandrasekar?

You can't have the likes of eg Viv Richards, Ponting or Jimmy Anderson in either team 'cos they were brilliant in the field and pretty good in their own discipline. Don't remember Lara as being a spectacular fielder. Glenn McGrath probably gets the nod as the opening bowler for crap fielders. As does Bob Willis. MP Vaughan in the crap fielder XI? The brilliant fielders who never quite got there in their chosen discipline XI?
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McGrath was a very bad batsman but a fine fielder, so you can't have him.
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