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Old 11th June 2017, 10:25   #21
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I feel like Caddick was a bit of a donkey out on the ropes but perhaps I've misjudged him.
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Old 12th June 2017, 12:03   #22
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Somebody mentioned Alec Stewart to me as England's worst ever keeper (as such) She is a Surrey fan and was well thought of in the ladies county teams. Played for Norfolk quite a bit back in the day. By Aussie standards, can you think of a worse keeper than Gilchrist. Shane warne has him about 5th in the list of Aussie keepers that he has played with. Of course you would want him in your side as a bat. Up against some stiff competition in the keeping stakes though. Kamran Akmal? I think you have a contender there.
You don't need to go further than the Heathrow departure lounge and their current limited overs side.

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Read would certainly be in the mix. A lot of the players would not be described as "dire" in the field. In the same way a lot of sparkling fielders would not be described as bad with bat or ball. We are looking for 2 XIs. One absolutely sh*t hot in the field but not quite the people you would consider in a top World XI for batting/bowling. The other team, the opposition, shone with the bat and ball but were people you had to hide in the field. I need names for the 2 teams but you get the picture.
Read was more average than dire as a keeper. OK, he didn't cover as much ground as his contemporaries and went through a spell of watching a lot of balls go between him and first slip but dire is overstating it as much as those who tried to claim he was the best keeper in the world.
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Old 20th June 2017, 23:19   #23
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It was Read's batting ability rather than his keeping I was criticising gbg. The idea was that we pick 2 teams. One team a **** hot fielding side, who never quite made it into their chosen discipline, whether that be batting or bowling. Offering up, Randall, Rhodes, Collingwood as a decent middle order for that team. The oppo has to be players who were sparkling bats/bowlers, but about as much use as a fence post/croquet hoop in the field. Keeper is a difficult slot to fill for both sides.
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Old 24th June 2017, 23:05   #24
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It was Read's batting ability rather than his keeping I was criticising gbg. The idea was that we pick 2 teams. One team a **** hot fielding side, who never quite made it into their chosen discipline, whether that be batting or bowling. Offering up, Randall, Rhodes, Collingwood as a decent middle order for that team. The oppo has to be players who were sparkling bats/bowlers, but about as much use as a fence post/croquet hoop in the field. Keeper is a difficult slot to fill for both sides.
I always thought Andy Flower was a rather average at best keeper but didn't see much of him maybe some Essex followers could confirm how good/poor his keeping was.

Middle order is pretty easy for the **** hot fielding side as the average/poor batsman tend to stay in the middle order, top 3 is going to be much harder. Symonds should definitely make that team as well he was a phenomenal fielder anywhere but his batting didn't really suit tests or his box of chocolate all-sorts bowling for that matter.
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Old 25th June 2017, 15:08   #25
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I always thought Andy Flower was a rather average at best keeper but didn't see much of him maybe some Essex followers could confirm how good/poor his keeping was.

Middle order is pretty easy for the **** hot fielding side as the average/poor batsman tend to stay in the middle order, top 3 is going to be much harder. Symonds should definitely make that team as well he was a phenomenal fielder anywhere but his batting didn't really suit tests or his box of chocolate all-sorts bowling for that matter.
Admitting that you've fallen into the trap of assuming that a keeper who bats well must be poor with the gloves? I can't judge Flower as I can't recall studying his keeping at all, but I anyways felt Gilchrist was judged overly harshly. Stewart was also better than many gave him credit for.
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Old 25th June 2017, 21:11   #26
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Admitting that you've fallen into the trap of assuming that a keeper who bats well must be poor with the gloves? I can't judge Flower as I can't recall studying his keeping at all, but I anyways felt Gilchrist was judged overly harshly. Stewart was also better than many gave him credit for.
I can remember him dropping a couple of dollies in one county game (it might have been a Zim warmup) but never really saw much of him hence don't know whether that was just a very poor game or his standard was generally poor and to be fair I'm not exactly a Wicket Keeping expert anyway!

Funny I can't remember much of Andy Flower even batting but remember lots of Heath Streak who must have been around at the same time but probably played more county games I guess.
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I can remember him dropping a couple of dollies in one county game (it might have been a Zim warmup) but never really saw much of him hence don't know whether that was just a very poor game or his standard was generally poor and to be fair I'm not exactly a Wicket Keeping expert anyway!

Funny I can't remember much of Andy Flower even batting but remember lots of Heath Streak who must have been around at the same time but probably played more county games I guess.
Flower played more county games than Streak.

You probably got to see more of Streak bowling than Flower batting as Zimbabwe tended to be in the field for longer than they batted for...
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Surely if the plan is to fill a team with terrible fielders, Geraint "Akmal" Jones is a natural pick for the keeper's spot?
Yes, but we are looking for a crap keeper who was a stunning bat for one team and a brilliant keeper who was a walking wicket. GoJo being, shall we say (let's be kind here), was fair to middling in both departments. In the same fashion we can't include Jimmy A' or Stewie. Both were/are pretty hot fielders.
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