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Old 14th June 2017, 13:01   #41
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On the bright side, we may now see Ball, Hales, Moeen and Roy in the One Day Cup semis.
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Old 14th June 2017, 13:05   #42
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Stokes 8 off 28 ...
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Old 14th June 2017, 13:17   #43
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Pakistan tend to win when their batsmen and bowlers both turn up on the same day - fortunately for England it doesn't happen as often as it should, and there is still hope.

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Old 14th June 2017, 13:22   #44
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Stokes 8 off 28 ...
.... but still there. Let's give some credit to Pak though. They have bowled really well. Can't remember a long hop or full toss yet and it's not the sort of pitch where you can hit bowlers off a length.
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Old 14th June 2017, 13:22   #45
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Seems to be playing like a 5th day wicket. A lot of spin, slight uneven bounce and not coming on to the bat. If it was a test you'd feel reasonably confident with 240 - 250 on the board. I suspect the only chance is for Root, Rashid and Ali to bowl well.
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Old 14th June 2017, 13:39   #46
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Why would we prepare a wicket that is not to our advantage for this match - I just don't get it? We have this dashing array of stroke makers, so we give them a relatively slow wicket on which to play a crucial semifinal contest.
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Seems to be playing like a 5th day wicket. A lot of spin, slight uneven bounce and not coming on to the bat. If it was a test you'd feel reasonably confident with 240 - 250 on the board. I suspect the only chance is for Root, Rashid and Ali to bowl well.
If it gets down to bowling Root, I think the game will be gone.
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Old 14th June 2017, 13:52   #48
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If it gets down to bowling Root, I think the game will be gone.
You definitely don't want 40 overs of seam on this wicket. My guess is Root will be harder to score of the Plunkett Ball or Stokes.
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Pakistan on their game today but you can still see them struggling to get 220.
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Why would we prepare a wicket that is not to our advantage for this match - I just don't get it? We have this dashing array of stroke makers, so we give them a relatively slow wicket on which to play a crucial semifinal contest.
May be wrong here but I think the preparation of pitches is overseen by the ICC.
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Why would we prepare a wicket that is not to our advantage for this match - I just don't get it? We have this dashing array of stroke makers, so we give them a relatively slow wicket on which to play a crucial semifinal contest.
It's the England way. Too decent to foreigners.
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May be wrong here but I think the preparation of pitches is overseen by the ICC.
Yep. ECB have nothing to do with it. Steve Elworthy and ICC in charge. A used pitch for a semi is a joke though.
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You definitely don't want 40 overs of seam on this wicket. My guess is Root will be harder to score of the Plunkett Ball or Stokes.
I have much respect for Root's bowling and think he is at times underused. He is a 4 ball per over man though. If you have 300+ on the board fine but ....
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Vic Marks was writing about Cardiff being a lower-scoring venue not to the advantage of England. Just found the article after posting my mild rant. He looks like a sage commentator writing that ahead of time.

Ben Stokes, has zero boundaries in what passed for his contribution. I am sure Pakistan have bowled well, but come on, how is that a suitable wicket?
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Only hope being that Pakistan batting chokes. They've been known to............
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..... A used pitch for a semi is a joke though.
Agreed. Is there reason any for this?
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They'll be loosely-goosey since they were underdogs not expected to get this far in the competition. They are gambling with free money.
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England firmly underdogs, but in with a chance. Don't have a problem with the pitch as it's unlikely to play much better later ... although it was high water at the start when Cardiff traditionally misbehaves. To win a tournament you've got to be able to do well in a range of conditions
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The way Pakistani openers play would tell us if this pitch is really so difficult to score.

All Pakistan has to do is play 50 overs without even looking at the scorecard for the first 20 overs.
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