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Old 14th June 2017, 15:24   #61
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This pitch has deflated England. Not the typical English wicket.
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Old 14th June 2017, 15:36   #62
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Things just aren't going for England. That skied shot that fell in no mans land sums it up.
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Old 14th June 2017, 15:46   #63
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Thought I heard a whooshing sound. It is the air escaping from the tyres on the England Champions Trophy bus. Heading for the ditch.
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Old 14th June 2017, 15:52   #64
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Thought I heard a whooshing sound. It is the air escaping from the tyres on the England Champions Trophy bus. Heading for the ditch.
Shame it's now Andrew Strauss's career as cricket, director of...........
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Old 14th June 2017, 15:57   #65
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No doubt there will be a lot more moaning about the pitch -- especially as it is Cardiff -- but both teams have to play on it. It was also fairly predictable what would happen with the pitches with only three venues being used for the competition. The same kind of thing happened last time, when the final at Edgbaston required the kind of bowling attack that England simply weren't willing to play. The truth is that England have been awful today and they don't remotely deserve to be in the final.
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Old 14th June 2017, 16:17   #66
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Morgan needs to try summin different now. Get in a leg slip, close in on off side, choke the singles, just something to push Pakistan back.
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Old 14th June 2017, 16:19   #67
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This pitch has deflated England. Not the typical English wicket.
This is ridiculous excuse. Pakistan had to bowl without their spear head and are batting on the same pitch. If you want to be a truly top tier ODI side you have to play on all occasions.

Cue more moaning from Morgan lol
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Old 14th June 2017, 16:39   #68
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I called this on Twitter this morning. This was the most obvious thing ever. England bat first and struggle on a pitch that isn't a road and then don't have the runs or the bowling nous to bring it back.

I'd be sad but I was prepared for disappointment already.
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Old 14th June 2017, 16:41   #69
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Their bowling has always been mediocre at best. I called it at start of tournament. look, most of them average like 30+. Not good enough if they don't bat to 300+.
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Old 14th June 2017, 16:51   #70
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Well I called it last Summer. You could see the choices in who the second string bowlers were would come back to bite us.
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Old 14th June 2017, 17:00   #71
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How long before teams realise that sacrificing a proper wicket-keeper for runs could be costly to the point of costing a match? Wickets are crucial in limited overs cricket and a missed stumping could decide a contest.

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Old 14th June 2017, 17:00   #72
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So yet another capitulation by an England team when it matters. Showing 'form' is one thing. Actually having the ability to deal with a bit of pressure and expectation is another.

As far as I'm concerned, the 'improvement' counts for nothing. No silverware again and a lamentable record in tournaments that matter.

They can hang their heads in shame. Again. The word failure should be renamed England.
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Old 14th June 2017, 17:06   #73
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The dropping of Roy has clearly disrupted team spirit.
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Old 14th June 2017, 17:08   #74
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This is why English cricket needs a new T20 comp!
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So yet another capitulation by an England team when it matters. Showing 'form' is one thing. Actually having the ability to deal with a bit of pressure and expectation is another.

As far as I'm concerned, the 'improvement' counts for nothing. No silverware again and a lamentable record in tournaments that matter.

They can hang their heads in shame. Again. The word failure should be renamed England.
Indeed. Is there ANYONE in England who can actually play cricket?
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Old 14th June 2017, 18:32   #76
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England capitulated but they did so at the edge of the best bowling performance and team in the tourney. This is the same side that made a mockery of numero unos SA, so nothing to be ashamed of.

A bigger concern is that England lack a world class pace bowler in their ODI side. I would have preferred both Jimmy and Broad back in the side.
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... England lack a world class pace bowler in their ODI side. I would have preferred both Jimmy and Broad back in the side.
I think the logic is that they are being rested so that they can both be operational at very high standards when the cricket that really matters starts up again.
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Old 14th June 2017, 18:46   #78
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England capitulated but they did so at the edge of the best bowling performance and team in the tourney. This is the same side that made a mockery of numero unos SA, so nothing to be ashamed of.

A bigger concern is that England lack a world class pace bowler in their ODI side. I would have preferred both Jimmy and Broad back in the side.
I really don't rate South Africa. I find it hard to trust the rankings when they are top.

For my money India, England and even Australia are all better sides.

England's missing seamer wasn't Broad or Jimmy (who wasn't even that good ODI bowler in his prime) but Woakes.
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Old 14th June 2017, 20:42   #79
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I really don't rate South Africa. I find it hard to trust the rankings when they are top.

For my money India, England and even Australia are all better sides.

England's missing seamer wasn't Broad or Jimmy (who wasn't even that good ODI bowler in his prime) but Woakes.
Jimmy has better numbers then Woakes lol not to mention has had a good run in ct
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Jimmy has better numbers then Woakes lol not to mention has had a good run in ct
I'm not sure career figures are the best way to compare a player entering his prime against a player past his.

Woakes' last 10 ODIs average of 21.89 at an economy-rate of 5.20. That's the figures England missed in the bowling department.
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