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Old 14th June 2017, 22:01   #81
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Credit to Pakistan - they were the better team on the day. However, just a few queries:

Why was the semi-final played at a neutral venue?
Why was the semi-final held at a ground with such a low capacity?
Why was the semi-final played on a used wicket?
Why was the semi-final played on a wicket completely alien to the wickets ODIs are played on in England?

I ****ing hate Cardiff.
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Old 14th June 2017, 22:08   #82
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Credit to Pakistan - they were the better team on the day. However, just a few queries:

Why was the semi-final played at a neutral venue?
Why was the semi-final held at a ground with such a low capacity?
Why was the semi-final played on a used wicket?
Why was the semi-final played on a wicket completely alien to the wickets ODIs are played on in England?

I ****ing hate Cardiff.
Yeah, it's a sh**hole but we can't use it as an excuse.
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Old 14th June 2017, 22:43   #83
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if I was Jason Roy, I'd be counting my blessings not to have been included in that shower of tw*ttery
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Old 14th June 2017, 23:39   #84
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Credit to Pakistan - they were the better team on the day. However, just a few queries:

Why was the semi-final played at a neutral venue?
Why was the semi-final held at a ground with such a low capacity?
Why was the semi-final played on a used wicket?
Why was the semi-final played on a wicket completely alien to the wickets ODIs are played on in England?

I ****ing hate Cardiff.
That's what I said in my earlier post. This wicket was more like a subcontinent wicket. It was perfect for Pakistan. On top the English bowlers were giving short balls to their openers.
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Old 14th June 2017, 23:41   #85
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The reaction by the English has been disgraceful. So much for being gentlemen. Spirit of cricket award coming up for Morgan lol
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Old 15th June 2017, 03:46   #86
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if I was Jason Roy, I'd be counting my blessings not to have been included in that shower of tw*ttery
If I were Jason Roy I'd be hoping I could get a game for Surrey 2nd XI atm. Didn't even get runs against Ireland ffs. He's hardly hit a ball off the square all season. I still believe that England have the best ODI team in the world.
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Old 15th June 2017, 08:43   #87
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Pakistan played better, but too many England batsmen got out to poor shots so why so much is being blamed on the pitch I'm not sure.

Sure England got two DRS go their way early doors, one should have been out and the other not, but it was soft dismissals and batsmen not seeming to have an answer when the ball wasn't going to the boundary (makes quick ones and twos more important, maybe England were too much in 'boundary mentatlity')

15 overs - England 77/1
30 overs - England 136/3 (one course for 272)

England lost their last 7 wickets for 75 runs in 19.5 overs. Some good bowling by Pakistan, but can you really say that Hales', Bairstow's, Morgan's, Ali's, Plunkett's and Stokes' shots were exempt from blame? (fair enough maybe Plunkett too late to do anything, and Stokes was trying to hit late runs, but maybe a bit more sooner might have avoided his demise)

Add to that a silly run out, England were at least 40 runs short of what they should have got and the key is three of the four batsmen who made 33+ played pretty poor shots.

England didn't exactly bowl well themselves, didn't learn much from watching England bat other than how a few batsmen threw their wickets away. Apart from Plunkett and maybe Rashid and Stokes on their day the England attack isn't that great anyway. Ball didn't do too badly but I'd have ditched him for someone - Finn or Willey from what was available.

Fair play to Pakistan though, stuck in there when bowling and with England's help knocked them over for well below par, and with England's help knocked the runs off without much trouble at all. Wasn't quite a 10 wicket World Cup defeat, but nearly as straightforward
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Old 15th June 2017, 10:45   #88
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Credit to Pakistan - they were the better team on the day. However, just a few queries:

Why was the semi-final played at a neutral venue?
Why was the semi-final held at a ground with such a low capacity?
Why was the semi-final played on a used wicket?
Why was the semi-final played on a wicket completely alien to the wickets ODIs are played on in England?

I ****ing hate Cardiff.
Why penalise the team that WON the group by making them play on a pitch that the LOSER of group B just played on ?

How do Cardiff manage to keep buying their way onto the international fixture list - where do they get the cash from ?
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Old 15th June 2017, 10:55   #89
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We lost a ODI to a team who played well. It doesn't make us a bad team and does not disguise the fact that we are a better team now than we were two years ago.
IF it is a India v Pakistan final it will globally be the biggest sporting event of the year, we should glory in that and shout it from the roof tops - the people who market cricket in the UK will probably forget to mention it!
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We lost a ODI to a team who played well. It doesn't make us a bad team and does not disguise the fact that we are a better team now than we were two years ago.
IF it is a India v Pakistan final it will globally be the biggest sporting event of the year, we should glory in that and shout it from the roof tops - the people who market cricket in the UK will probably forget to mention it!
Couldn't be less interested in the final or the other semi to be honest - get these T20s out of the way and then its test match time.
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So, are England now giving competition to South Africa for the chokers tag?
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Old 15th June 2017, 13:11   #92
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Btw, a very positive and solid start from Bangladesh. They are going after Pandya and Jadeja, especially. With Ashwin just ordinary in limited overs cricket, I just feel a lot depends on Bhuvi and Bumrah. If Bangladesh can score around 300-320, they are in with a very good chance.
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Bangla taking the game to India. Their confidence has snowballed.
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What's kohli doing here? There are way too many singles on offer and the rate us nearing 6.
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So, are England now giving competition to South Africa for the chokers tag?
The last world t20 yes. England were never really contenders in yesterday's game. Surely a choke is losing from a very winnable situation. Things went pearshaped way too early for that.
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What's kohli doing here? There are way too many singles on offer and the rate us nearing 6.
Despite the hype, Kohli is a very defensive captain with aggressive posturing. Also, I'd rate Ajinkya Rahane as a better tactical captain as well. Unfortunately, Rahane cannot even find a place in this team. Right now, Bangladesh is dictating the game.
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So, are England now giving competition to South Africa for the chokers tag?
Personally I think choking is about a team managing to lose games that it was in a good position to win -- as if daunted by the prospect of likely victory. England never got in a position to win yesterday's semi-final or this tournament as a whole, so I'm not sure the tag applies here. More appropriate is the "shower of tw@ttery" badge, which should be worn with pride since it takes something quite special to call forth such a linguistic gem.
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Despite the hype, Kohli is a very defensive captain with aggressive posturing. Also, I'd rate Ajinkya Rahane as a better tactical captain as well. Unfortunately, Rahane cannot even find a place in this team. Right now, Bangladesh is dictating the game.
Yep I agree. He screams and shouts a lot but has the most basic, spreadsheet tactics.

Anyway wicket. Bad shot, played around a normal delivery.
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Having said all that I always feel Dhoni is captaining a lot in the odis with kohli his stooge.
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The last world t20 yes. England were never really contenders in yesterday's game. Surely a choke is losing from a very winnable situation. Things went pearshaped way too early for that.
I know, and I was suggesting more from the fact that England were the favourites going into the match. They've also been playing a brave, new style of cricket, but when it mattered most, they managed to go back to their old style. Sure, some of it might have been forced upon them by the pitch, but the fact that they could not adjust their game plan just made me wonder if the big-match pressure got to them more than anything else.
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