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Old 26th June 2017, 21:29   #21
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Don't know if you've read the latest article on Being Outside Cricket but the answer appears to be not.

Would love to go to a test match in Dublin and make a few days of it but watching a procession wouldn't be a lot of fun.
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Old 26th June 2017, 21:36   #22
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Does this now mean that Rashid Khan is eligible to play county cricket?
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Old 26th June 2017, 22:36   #23
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Does this now mean that Rashid Khan is eligible to play county cricket?
Great question! I certainly hope so!
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Old 26th June 2017, 22:51   #24
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There is noway Afg or Irl will ever be competitive for the forseeable future against the likes of Eng, Aus, Pak, Ind and SA. Maybe they could have some solid games against Zimb?
I completely disagree. Given the ebbs and flows of Test cricket, and the need for these teams to improve, they need to be playing the better teams, even if they are only one or two Test series. I suspect you'll be somewhat surprised at how decent the Afghan team could be in Test cricket.
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Old 26th June 2017, 22:54   #25
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I completely disagree. Given the ebbs and flows of Test cricket, and the need for these teams to improve, they need to be playing the better teams, even if they are only one or two Test series. I suspect you'll be somewhat surprised at how decent the Afghan team could be in Test cricket.
Do you think they'll actually get to play better teams or will just end up playing each other though?

Bangladesh are probably the 6th best team in the world but when will England next deign to play them? When was the last time Australia visited them?
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Old 26th June 2017, 23:11   #26
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Do you think they'll actually get to play better teams or will just end up playing each other though?

Bangladesh are probably the 6th best team in the world but when will England next deign to play them? When was the last time Australia visited them?
I think both teams are in a much better position than Bangladesh. Afghanistan's "home" pitch is in India (Delhi, I think)

This puts both teams on the agenda as a proper Test warm up for a Test nation touring England or India. If you were a touring international team, would you rather warm up against a half-baked County team packed with 2nd XI players, or a 5-day Test match against the full Ireland team in Malahide? One would generate revenue, the other wouldn't. I think this puts both teams in a really good position to garner single Test matches. It might be a longer road to proper 3 Test series against bigger teams, but I'd be surprised to see big teams avoiding them. Whereas Bangladesh and Zimbabwe both have pervasive social issues which teams are actively avoiding, and need to be full dedicated tours, by and large.
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Old 26th June 2017, 23:36   #27
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I think both teams are in a much better position than Bangladesh. Afghanistan's "home" pitch is in India (Delhi, I think)

This puts both teams on the agenda as a proper Test warm up for a Test nation touring England or India. If you were a touring international team, would you rather warm up against a half-baked County team packed with 2nd XI players, or a 5-day Test match against the full Ireland team in Malahide? One would generate revenue, the other wouldn't. I think this puts both teams in a really good position to garner single Test matches. It might be a longer road to proper 3 Test series against bigger teams, but I'd be surprised to see big teams avoiding them. Whereas Bangladesh and Zimbabwe both have pervasive social issues which teams are actively avoiding, and need to be full dedicated tours, by and large.
I think touring sides these days would rather light touch warmups against counties or invitational "XIs" where they can give the whole squad a run out. In an already crowded schedule, I think sides will shy away from playing extra tests, so something will have to give.

I see the CEO of Cricket Ireland is already suggesting that it will 2019 before they get their first test.
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I see the CEO of Cricket Ireland is already suggesting that it will 2019 before they get their first test.
That's understandable, given that the calendar for 2018 is probably already settled to a large extent. Crikey. I thought I was a cynic. I'm surprised some of you guys can get out of bed in the morning.
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Old 27th June 2017, 09:24   #29
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That's understandable, given that the calendar for 2018 is probably already settled to a large extent. Crikey. I thought I was a cynic. I'm surprised some of you guys can get out of bed in the morning.
With difficulty, but that's because I've got tendinitis in my heel.

I'm all for expanding the game, just not sure giving these two teams test status is the right way to achieve it. Particularly if it's more test status in name than in practice.
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Old 27th June 2017, 13:16   #30
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I completely disagree. Given the ebbs and flows of Test cricket, and the need for these teams to improve, they need to be playing the better teams, even if they are only one or two Test series. I suspect you'll be somewhat surprised at how decent the Afghan team could be in Test cricket.
Surprised in what way?

And I'm not saying they should not play better teams, I'm saying they need to earn that right.

In a two tier system, teamsl iek Afg and Irl can learn the ropes, learn the grit and determination required at the very highest level, especially in the absence of genuine first class systems (although I know a lot of the Irish lads play in England and a lot of the Afghan lads learned their trade in Pakistan and have been funded by Pakistan) and ultimately gain the type of experience needed to compete.

As of right now, watching some of those Afghan lads playing any of the top test nations would be an embarassment. I think Ireland may fare better in certain conditions but they wouldn't be much better.
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Old 27th June 2017, 13:22   #31
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Surprised in what way?

And I'm not saying they should not play better teams, I'm saying they need to earn that right.

In a two tier system, teamsl iek Afg and Irl can learn the ropes, learn the grit and determination required at the very highest level, especially in the absence of genuine first class systems (although I know a lot of the Irish lads play in England and a lot of the Afghan lads learned their trade in Pakistan and have been funded by Pakistan) and ultimately gain the type of experience needed to compete.

As of right now, watching some of those Afghan lads playing any of the top test nations would be an embarassment. I think Ireland may fare better in certain conditions but they wouldn't be much better.
Think it would be the other way around. Afghanistan in India might present a bit of a challenge to England, West Indies, New Zealand or South Africa, especially with Rashid Khan, whereas any side with decent quick bowlers would steamroller the Irish in Dublin.
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Think it would be the other way around. Afghanistan in India might present a bit of a challenge to England, West Indies, New Zealand or South Africa, especially with Rashid Khan, whereas any side with decent quick bowlers would steamroller the Irish in Dublin.
I defer to your greater knowledge of Irish cricket.
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That's understandable, given that the calendar for 2018 is probably already settled to a large extent. Crikey. I thought I was a cynic. I'm surprised some of you guys can get out of bed in the morning.
It's the English disease. They win one football world cup in a century and they'd have you believe they're the greatest team since man discovered fire. They win one Rugby World Cup out of 8 and they would have you believe they've won the lot. They've never won a cricket ODI World Cup but they did win an Ashes series or two courtesy of their South African star players.

And they've already been beaten by Ireland at cricket, guess they didn't have a decent couple of pace bowlers then.
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That's understandable, given that the calendar for 2018 is probably already settled to a large extent. Crikey. I thought I was a cynic. I'm surprised some of you guys can get out of bed in the morning.
I'm a cynic but with the ICC I usually find that I was too optimistic.


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It's the English disease. They win one football world cup in a century and they'd have you believe they're the greatest team since man discovered fire. They win one Rugby World Cup out of 8 and they would have you believe they've won the lot. They've never won a cricket ODI World Cup but they did win an Ashes series or two courtesy of their South African star players.

And they've already been beaten by Ireland at cricket, guess they didn't have a decent couple of pace bowlers then.
Fiver (or a pint) says England beat Ireland in tests before Ireland beat England.
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It's the English disease. They win one football world cup in a century and they'd have you believe they're the greatest team since man discovered fire. They win one Rugby World Cup out of 8 and they would have you believe they've won the lot. They've never won a cricket ODI World Cup but they did win an Ashes series or two courtesy of their South African star players.

And they've already been beaten by Ireland at cricket, guess they didn't have a decent couple of pace bowlers then.
Did Sir Virgs leave you his army of straw-men when he left the board?
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As of right now, watching some of those Afghan lads playing any of the top test nations would be an embarassment. I think Ireland may fare better in certain conditions but they wouldn't be much better.
I don't know what games you've been watching, but the only team embarrassed in the recent series vs. West Indies and particularly their batsmen. I watch a lot of Associate cricket, and I'm much more positive about the Afghan prospects.
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I don't know what games you've been watching, but the only team embarrassed in the recent series vs. West Indies and particularly their batsmen. I watch a lot of Associate cricket, and I'm much more positive about the Afghan prospects.
Sustainability is important. It's one thing to have a generation of talented cricketers arrive on your doorstep, another to maintain the talent pipeline over time, a struggle faced by sides like Ireland and Kenya. Like you, I am relatively positive Afghanistan can achieve this though.
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Think it would be the other way around. Afghanistan in India might present a bit of a challenge to England, West Indies, New Zealand or South Africa, especially with Rashid Khan, whereas any side with decent quick bowlers would steamroller the Irish in Dublin.
Ah that's another thing, where are Afg supposed to play their international cricket? Will it definitely be India? WOuld make sense with the current political systems and ideologies in place but still don't see them winning.

I'm pretty sure I will not be proven wrong but only time will tell.

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Didn't Afg lose 4-1? Failing to even reach 150 on 4 occasions and losing by considerable margins almost every time. Yes they won one game but if this is what they're achieving against a lowly WI side, I repeat, I shudder to think of the "competition" against better teams.
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What are you on about? The ODI series was 1 - 1. I hardly think T20, where the Windies are still a decent team anyway, provide a firmer indication of Test success. They also defeated Zimbabwe 3 - 2. Both of these series were away from home. Pretty sure that's better than Bangladesh we're managing when they got Test status.
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Fiver (or a pint) says England beat Ireland in tests before Ireland beat England.
I'll take the pint option. I'm sure I'll be in London at some point over the next two years to collect.
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