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Old 4th July 2017, 11:08   #81
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not to mention Ballance.
Why would you mention Ballance? He doesn't bowl. At the age of nearly 28 he has bowled just 29 overs across all formats of cricket (and has never taken a wicket), this tells me he doesn't really bowl. Why would anyone consider this? These conversations around part time bowlers get silly, almost as silly as Alex hales bowling on a road at Newlands.

Jennings and Trott are entirely different, as is Joe Root. They bowl.

On the subject of Ballance, I notice his form has dropped away, he hasn't scored a ton since the first half of May, that's ages ago.
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Old 4th July 2017, 11:28   #82
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Why would you mention Ballance? He doesn't bowl. At the age of nearly 28 he has bowled just 29 overs across all formats of cricket (and has never taken a wicket), this tells me he doesn't really bowl. Why would anyone consider this? These conversations around part time bowlers get silly, almost as silly as Alex hales bowling on a road at Newlands.

Jennings and Trott are entirely different, as is Joe Root. They bowl.

On the subject of Ballance, I notice his form has dropped away, he hasn't scored a ton since the first half of May, that's ages ago.
Indeed. Apologies for mentioning Ballance. Especially as I always find it annoying when people say "not to mention X", thereby mentioning X whilst simultaneously asserting -- mendaciously -- that they aren't. There's a similar trick with "needless to say", but I won't go into that.
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Old 4th July 2017, 11:37   #83
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I don't know why Cook isn't given the ball more often. He averages 7 in test cricket after all, so should certainly be discussed in these conversations.
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Old 4th July 2017, 11:47   #85
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I don't know why Cook isn't given the ball more often. He averages 7 in test cricket after all, so should certainly be discussed in these conversations.
Ballance also bowled in the innings where Cook took a wicket and came up blank ...
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Cook Jennings Dawson Root Ballance Stokes Bairstow Ali Broad Wood Anderson
What on earth!?

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Dawson opened the batting for Hants in their last game. Whitaker was saying Ballance should do well in the middle order.
Remind me how he got on.
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Still leaves the question of who should/will bat at 3. Ballance? (Better in the middle order) Root? (Prefers 4 and he's the captain) Moeen? (Not a bad shout, but he's going to get a lot of short stuff). I would go for Bairstow but I think Ballance will get the job.
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Is it really known to be the case that Root prefers 4? He's been at 3 since Compton was dropped after the Sri Lanka series last summer -- i.e., for the last 11 tests. I would presume that the selection of Ballance (over e.g. Stoneman or Bell-Drummond) means that Root has decided to begin his captaincy batting at 3.
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Is it really known to be the case that Root prefers 4? He's been at 3 since Compton was dropped after the Sri Lanka series last summer -- i.e., for the last 11 tests. I would presume that the selection of Ballance (over e.g. Stoneman or Bell-Drummond) means that Root has decided to begin his captaincy batting at 3.
If GB bats like he did in Bangla it wont matter too much.
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Is it really known to be the case that Root prefers 4? He's been at 3 since Compton was dropped after the Sri Lanka series last summer -- i.e., for the last 11 tests. I would presume that the selection of Ballance (over e.g. Stoneman or Bell-Drummond) means that Root has decided to begin his captaincy batting at 3.
Root has made it quite clear several times that he prefers 4, not only to the media but also to the selectors. Captaincy brings a certain amount of privilege however. Moeen, for example, has made it known that he wants to bat higher. Stokes is a natural 6 for me. Bairstow would make a good 3. The advantage of a player such as Trott was that he could play as an opener, coming in at 0-1 or as a middle order bat coming in at 100-1. Ballance will almost certainly get the 3 slot.

Cook
Jennings
Ballance
Root
Stokes
Ali
Bairstow
Dawson
Wood
Broad
Anderson

That's my guess for Thursday.
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On a different tack, think we should have a "First Test" thread up by now. Bit busy myself. Daughter's 21st tomorrow. Very inconsiderate of her to be born on the 5th July. Could have been worse i.e. Thursday.
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On a different tack, think we should have a "First Test" thread up by now. Bit busy myself. Daughter's 21st tomorrow. Very inconsiderate of her to be born on the 5th July. Could have been worse i.e. Thursday.
I think you might be at least half to blame for her birthday falling during the middle of the cricketing summer.
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Maybe, although he was pretty innocuous in tests whereas at least in ODIs he was a useful middle overs option.
Part of the reason why would be that he only really ended up bowling in situations where the ball wasn't doing much and the opposition were 350-3.
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It is his name. How would you like it if we just called you balls?
If that was my name then why would I have a problem with that? And Jones is part of his surname.

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Faf out of the first test for family reasons. CWOTV convinced this was a strong and stable South African side. I'm less convinced, I think they still have issues up top and in the middle order, plus with Abbott and Steyn gone, their bowling is less frightening than it could otherwise be.
I agree, SA look like they have a soft belly.

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The Times have the "exclusive" that Dawson has got the nod for the spinner role - with Crane lined up for later in the summer.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/s...ords-mftppgj20

"it now looks as though Middlesex’s Toby Roland-Jones will miss out on a Test debut on his home ground and that England will use Dawson in a role similar to that of Ashley Giles"

"The omission of Rashid from the squad indicates that England see him as a one-day spinner, but the inclusion of Dawson in the final XI would also say much about Ali’s standing"

"England will probably include Mason Crane, Dawson’s Hampshire colleague and leg spinner, in a Test this summer as they do not want to take any uncapped players to the Ashes."

Probably confirms the team as

Cook
Jennings
Root (or 4)
Ballance (or 3)
Ali (or 7)
Stokes
Bairstow (or 5)
Dawson
Broad
Wood
Anderson
Still can't believe rashid not being picked, other than that, I'm sure that is the team that will play. I prefer the wya you have it, with Ali at 5 and Root at 3. However, Bairstow should be above Stokes as he is a better batsman with a sound technique.
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If that was my name then why would I have a problem with that? And Jones is part of his surname.
Because we'd be calling you balls. It's like being called ********, knackersacks or love eggs.
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However, Bairstow should be above Stokes as he is a better batsman with a sound technique.
By that logic he goes in before Ali too.
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Old 4th July 2017, 23:25   #97
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I think there is more to Rashid not being selected than we know. He didn't look happy at times in India and my gut reaction is he finds long test tours hard. I love my job partly because I love being away from home, but I've seen a lot of people find the reality of being away just isn't for them. The fact the media only really mentioned his absence in passing seemed like people were almost trying to make it a none story.

Bottom line is Rashid is still the best leg spinner in England and there is an argument the best spinner, although from the candidates available it's not really much praise. Crane has character and potential but got spanked by South Africa in The Lions game. He stood up to De Villiers reasonably well, but it wasn't a great ball that got the wicket in the 20/20. It was in the slot to hit and 6 inches higher or a metre either side and it was another 6. I'm all in favour of England playing a part in his development, he's better having a twirl against the West Indies than being 12th man on a County green top for a game. I think he'd also benefit from being part of the Ashes squad, particularly now we are using a spin bowling coach. He may even be worth a pick if Australia decide to create a dust bowl at some point. But the fact it's been mentioned he's likely to get a test and be in The Ashes squad this early also suggests they are certain Rashid isn't in the frame. I still think he's 12 to 18 months behind Rashid at least, yes he may go on to be a lot better. You'd hope England will use him wisely over the coming months as 0 for 180 at the mcc would not really do much for him at this point.
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I've said the same thing about Bairstow in ODIs. Wrt to Rashid, fine. Think that it is worthless having people taking out drinks, fielding for half an hour or whatever. Send them back to their counties. Odds on Adil getting a fivefer in the first 4 game he plays and Buttler getting 100. Soon.
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I've said the same thing about Bairstow in ODIs. Wrt to Rashid, fine. Think that it is worthless having people taking out drinks, fielding for half an hour or whatever. Send them back to their counties. Odds on Adil getting a fivefer in the first 4 game he plays and Buttler getting 100. Soon.
I don't mind it with young players new to the squad as it gives the management a chance to get to know someone in the nets that they probably don't know but for players like Bairstow, Rashid or Buttler it's rather pointless.
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I've said the same thing about Bairstow in ODIs. Wrt to Rashid, fine. Think that it is worthless having people taking out drinks, fielding for half an hour or whatever. Send them back to their counties. Odds on Adil getting a fivefer in the first 4 game he plays and Buttler getting 100. Soon.
I can't remember the last time Buttler scored a century in county cricket and he hasn't scored one in test cricket. He must be due one in the longer form as I'm betting it's now a good 2 years.
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