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Old 5th July 2017, 07:50   #101
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Is it really known to be the case that Root prefers 4? He's been at 3 since Compton was dropped after the Sri Lanka series last summer -- i.e., for the last 11 tests. I would presume that the selection of Ballance (over e.g. Stoneman or Bell-Drummond) means that Root has decided to begin his captaincy batting at 3.
His own preference aside, Root's stats suggest he should bat 5:

Open : 11 inns, 180 runs @ 41.70
#3 : 29 inns, 1224 runs @ 45.33
#4 : 21 inns, 957 runs @ 50.37
#5 : 28 inns, 1755 runs @ 73.13
#6 : 8 inns, 241 runs @ 40.17
#7 : 1 inns, 0 runs @ 0.00

He has scored three times as many hundreds batting 5 as batting 3 or 4, similar numbers of fifties and ducks (within one ie 7 and 8, 0 and 1 respectively) Sure he's batted more at 5 than 4, but surely with the star batsman you bat him where most effective.

Ballance averages 50.83 at 3, 6.00, 25.25 and 18.00 at 4, 5 and 6 respectively. He batted 3 until his form started to desert him, made singles figures batting 4 against Bangladesh, a 'promotion' up the order from 5 where he batted against Pakistan.
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Old 5th July 2017, 09:58   #102
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His own preference aside, Root's stats suggest he should bat 5:

Open : 11 inns, 180 runs @ 41.70
#3 : 29 inns, 1224 runs @ 45.33
#4 : 21 inns, 957 runs @ 50.37
#5 : 28 inns, 1755 runs @ 73.13
#6 : 8 inns, 241 runs @ 40.17
#7 : 1 inns, 0 runs @ 0.00

He has scored three times as many hundreds batting 5 as batting 3 or 4, similar numbers of fifties and ducks (within one ie 7 and 8, 0 and 1 respectively) Sure he's batted more at 5 than 4, but surely with the star batsman you bat him where most effective.

Ballance averages 50.83 at 3, 6.00, 25.25 and 18.00 at 4, 5 and 6 respectively. He batted 3 until his form started to desert him, made singles figures batting 4 against Bangladesh, a 'promotion' up the order from 5 where he batted against Pakistan.
So would you have a 3--5 of Ballance, Ali, Root tomorrow Rebs in that order?
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Old 5th July 2017, 10:03   #103
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South Africa should be pretty confident

England have 1 win in 8, 3 out of 12 and 7 out of the last 22.
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Old 5th July 2017, 10:15   #104
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South Africa should be pretty confident

England have 1 win in 8, 3 out of 12 and 7 out of the last 22.
And it's in London.
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Old 5th July 2017, 10:29   #105
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And it's in London.
Are our recent Lords stats any better/worse than the Oval ?
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Old 5th July 2017, 10:48   #106
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Are our recent Lords stats any better/worse than the Oval ?
1 win in our last six at Lords, 2 wins in our last six at the Oval.
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Old 5th July 2017, 10:57   #107
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So would you have a 3--5 of Ballance, Ali, Root tomorrow Rebs in that order?
The Telegraph this morning suggested Stokes 5 and Ali or Bairstow rotating at 6 depending on how Bairstow feels after keeping.

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Bairstow/Ali
Bairstow/Ali
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Stokes is useless batting low down, they'll have him at six or higher. I'd have Moeen at seven, with JB at 5. Dawson cannot be higher than eight, personally I'd rather see him carrying the drinks, (for good).
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The Telegraph this morning suggested Stokes 5 and Ali or Bairstow rotating at 6 depending on how Bairstow feels after keeping.

Cook
Jennings
Ballance
Root
Stokes
Bairstow/Ali
Bairstow/Ali
Dawson
Woods
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Anderson
So 3 allrounders ? We continue with the bits and pieces nonsense approach.
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So 3 allrounders ? We continue with the bits and pieces nonsense approach.
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1 win in our last six at Lords, 2 wins in our last six at the Oval.
With the Oval, you have to consider that it's usually the last test of a series, and the summer. With series in the bag, England have a tendency to take their foot off the gas (despite their protests to the contrary) and settle for a draw. The Lord's record is poor.
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So 3 allrounders ? We continue with the bits and pieces nonsense approach.
I'd say it's only nonsense if those players don't merit a place in their main discipline. I have hopes of all three doing so, Ali and Stokes with the bat and Dawson with the ball.
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So 3 allrounders ? We continue with the bits and pieces nonsense approach.
You've agreed Moeen is worth his place as a batsman, remember?
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Cook Root Stokes Anderson
When Stokes is bowling 3rd slip is Jennings.
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You've agreed Moeen is worth his place as a batsman, remember?
A batsman shouldn't be coming in at 7.
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A batsman shouldn't be coming in at 7.
Most teams have a batsman at 7. Most teams also pick a bowler who can bat at 8. Most teams now have a batsman who keeps wicket. Maybe in your world this is the case but not in international cricket. The days of 5 number 11s in a test side ended 30 plus years ago.
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The days of 5 number 11s in a test side ended 30 plus years ago.
And here comes the straw man..
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Every wicket-keeper bats at 7 except Bairstow who will be at 5.

Wade de Kock Dickwella Saha Watling Sarfraz Dowrich Rahim Moor
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Every wicket-keeper bats at 7 except Bairstow who will be at 5.

Wade de Kock Dickwella Saha Watling Sarfraz Dowrich Rahim Moor
If Stoneman or HH had been selected they wouldn't be batting at 7.

The selectors have used the shoe horn big style.
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If Stoneman or HH had been selected they wouldn't be batting at 7.

The selectors have used the shoe horn big style.
They wouldn't they wouldn't have picked Ballance and they would have batted in the top order not in the middle order. Surprisingly where it looks Ballance will bat.
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