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Old 6th July 2017, 21:15   #141
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Maybe so but better than 'Cool'..ok 400 would be slick.
And 500 would be "hot" Both of these guys have opened for England. Any reason they should not put on 150+ runs before tea tomorrow? Or I fully accept that Eng may well fizzle to 420 ao.

Thought SA were poor today. Played like an England team.
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Old 6th July 2017, 21:16   #142
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I much prefer Moeen down at 7. He plays with such freedom there.
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Old 6th July 2017, 21:41   #143
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... **** poor over rate. That may earn Elgar a ban. I agree with Boycks though. Start to award the batting team runs and it will mean, like the "Timed out" Law, it will be obeyed. There would be no need to enforce because sides would bowl their 90 overs in a day. 81 is simply not good enough. ...
Today I thought the relentless moaning about the over rate by almost all the TMS commentators was about a billion times more annoying that the over rate. They've been banging on about it for years now with no effect. Why can't they just shut up about it now? They were very happy to be able to note at one point that the crowd also seemed a bit miffed about it. But frankly, those punters wouldn't get anywhere near their moneysworth even if there were 100 overs a day.

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I much prefer Moeen down at 7. He plays with such freedom there.
He has alot to do to be as effective at 7 as he was up the order against India. Even if one admits for the sake of argument that Yorkshire players are more important than others and that home tests are more important than others, "Root's Rule" -- that from no. 3 down no player may go in to bat unless all the Yorkshire players have already gone in to bat -- looks to be bad for most of those Yorkshire players and probably bad for the team. We should have been on for 800 tomorrow.
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Old 6th July 2017, 22:07   #144
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Today I thought the relentless moaning about the over rate by almost all the TMS commentators was about a billion times more annoying that the over rate. They've been banging on about it for years now with no effect. Why can't they just shut up about it now? They were very happy to be able to note at one point that the crowd also seemed a bit miffed about it. But frankly, those punters wouldn't get anywhere near their moneysworth even if there were 100 overs a day.
I'm one of the punters who wish cricketers would get the requisite overs bowled by the scheduled close. I've made the point many times in the past, that people with tickets to a day's cricket might also have made arrangements for the evening and don't want to have to cancel those arrangements or get home a lot later than expected. I've got tickets for the Edgbaston day/night test. God knows what time we'll get away late evening.

Not sure what your comment about punters not getting moneysworth if there were a 100 overs a day means, but if it's to do with the standard of the cricket, that's a different argument altogether.
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Old 7th July 2017, 00:40   #145
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I much prefer Moeen down at 7. He plays with such freedom there.
The problem remains for me that Stokes, Bairstow and Ali are all natural 6 and 7s, so you either drop one or pick one at 5. Ali almost averages 100 (97) at 7. I listened to the last hour of TMS and Boycott was pretty adamant that with or without the gloves he felt Bairstow was best at 7, which I agree with, even if not popular with some posters. We haven't got a surfeit of quality batsman so they do need to find a way to make it work. The current situation seems whichever 2 of the 3 you play 6 and 7 seem to come up with important runs.

Over the last 18 months those 3 have been the engine room of the team and are averaging well over 40. Cook and Root are quality. If we could find a number 2 and 3 we would be pretty formidable.
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Old 7th July 2017, 07:08   #146
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Good recovery from England, but you expect a chance of early wickets and batting to get easier.

re Ali at #7, low pressure batting slot so of course he has 'freedom'. If the top order fails and he fails, no blame. If the top order succeeds and he fails, no blame.


re Bairstow at #7, would be a waste. Not enough batting partners so he'd be coming in to join a top order batsman and then maybe have 8 and 9 as decent support. It's not even as if England are inundated with top batsmen pushing to fill few vacancies yet we're talking pushing one batsman who has talent down the order.

I did think Stokes should have batted above Bairstow though, he's been in form and more settled in Tests than Bairstow. Not sure it would have made any difference to their respective efforts, but also the way some commentators go on about preferred positions I thought Stokes would have preferred batting 5.


re over rate, lots of talk about it, lots of inaction too. Give the batsmen their choice of bowler once the over rate gets to a low point after say 45 overs, to give the fielding side ample chance to catch up as it would likely be quicks for a lot of early overs.

Or make the last ball of every over a free hit if the bowling side are behind on their overs, both are tactical disadvantages and not arbitrary run penalties which for me would spoil a) the game as a contest and b) the record books would be out of balance as it hasn't been necessary to adjust totals for over a hundred years
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Old 7th July 2017, 08:21   #147
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Good recovery from England, but you expect a chance of early wickets and batting to get easier.

re Ali at #7, low pressure batting slot so of course he has 'freedom'. If the top order fails and he fails, no blame. If the top order succeeds and he fails, no blame.


re Bairstow at #7, would be a waste. Not enough batting partners so he'd be coming in to join a top order batsman and then maybe have 8 and 9 as decent support. It's not even as if England are inundated with top batsmen pushing to fill few vacancies yet we're talking pushing one batsman who has talent down the order.

I did think Stokes should have batted above Bairstow though, he's been in form and more settled in Tests than Bairstow. Not sure it would have made any difference to their respective efforts, but also the way some commentators go on about preferred positions I thought Stokes would have preferred batting 5.


re over rate, lots of talk about it, lots of inaction too. Give the batsmen their choice of bowler once the over rate gets to a low point after say 45 overs, to give the fielding side ample chance to catch up as it would likely be quicks for a lot of early overs.

Or make the last ball of every over a free hit if the bowling side are behind on their overs, both are tactical disadvantages and not arbitrary run penalties which for me would spoil a) the game as a contest and b) the record books would be out of balance as it hasn't been necessary to adjust totals for over a hundred years
Yet more contortions to discredit anything Ali does?
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Old 7th July 2017, 08:28   #148
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A day of two halves. Brilliant from Root, fair enough he has had some luck but he's a class act and done it under huge pressure. Can't ask for anything more.
Yes. As good as it gets. Now up to 4800 runs at 54 and he's just 26!
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Old 7th July 2017, 08:58   #149
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I'm one of the punters who wish cricketers would get the requisite overs bowled by the scheduled close. I've made the point many times in the past, that people with tickets to a day's cricket might also have made arrangements for the evening and don't want to have to cancel those arrangements or get home a lot later than expected. I've got tickets for the Edgbaston day/night test. God knows what time we'll get away late evening.

Not sure what your comment about punters not getting moneysworth if there were a 100 overs a day means, but if it's to do with the standard of the cricket, that's a different argument altogether.
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Phenomenal performance from Root. What an absolute gem England have got.
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I suspect his batting will thrive due to captaincy.
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Old 7th July 2017, 09:50   #152
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Root had a lucky start and then a no ball reprieve but he has capitilised and 200+ should be on the cards.

Ali should get himself a century too and it would be number 4 at 7...simply remarkable, to have to come down and bat with the tail (as he so often does), average almost a 100, score a 155 and play with a sr of 60. He is being wasted. At the very least he should be one slot higher.
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Old 7th July 2017, 10:08   #153
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If Ali has now been designated a specialist batsman, surely him at 5 and then the all-rounders at 6 & 7 makes the most sense in the long term. Very odd to have the guy who has to keep and a fast bowler batting ahead of a batsman.
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Old 7th July 2017, 10:50   #154
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This morning Ali should be considering himself re-installed as opener. 0-0. First day. New ball.
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Old 7th July 2017, 11:10   #155
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If Ali has now been designated a specialist batsman, surely him at 5 and then the all-rounders at 6 & 7 makes the most sense in the long term. Very odd to have the guy who has to keep and a fast bowler batting ahead of a batsman.
Seems like a sensible solution - but it's a whole lot more difficult batting at 49/3 than 190/5.

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Down to the bowlers to see what Moeen can make of this then.
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Old 7th July 2017, 11:15   #157
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I'm surprised Atherton was surprised that Root lost his wicket this morning "when in such good form". It frequently happens that the previous day's centurions get out early the next day.
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Joe - you wimp! Gah! Seriously though, one of great innings. Why is Dawson in this team? Gah! Could we not just for once crush the oppo? C'mon Mo. 150 min.
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Hope the bowlers try to stick around a bit for Moeen.
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