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Old 14th July 2017, 14:56   #61
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Dawson yet to show with the ball that he deserves to be in the team.
Don't forget the pair in the first Test...

Seems Root feels obliged to put him on as first spinner. In all honesty, I'd rather it was Moeen - even if he was also going at 6s as Dawson now is, he'd be more likely to pick a wicket!
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Old 14th July 2017, 14:57   #62
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I am not impressed by Dawson. Makes me wish I was 40 years younger. Absolute pie. 18 off 3. Gah.
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Old 14th July 2017, 15:00   #63
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England leaking runs here horribly. SA have been going at a run a ball for ten overs.
These 2 are seriously good players. Probably 2cd and 3rd best batsmen in the series. 90 minutes together and England are going to find the test very tough.
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Old 14th July 2017, 15:01   #64
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5 maybe 6 of the South Africa team would get in to the England side. I think our weaker links are stronger than South Africa's and Root is the best batsmen. If South Africa's big guns fire they are a good side.
Not entirely scientific but in terms of man per man and predicted batting order and I realise I'm not analysing the wicket keepers together

Cook >Elgar (a fair margin)
Jennings = Kuhn
Balance < Amla (big margin)
Root > QdK (possibly not by that much)
Bairstow = Du Plessis (too close to call in batting value IMO)
Stokes > Bavuma
Ali >/ Morris (not too much in this IMO
Dawson < Philander (big margin)
Broad > Maharaj (big gap)
Wood v Olivier ?
Anderson > Morkel (by a little amount)

Overall not a lot in that
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Old 14th July 2017, 15:13   #65
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These 2 are seriously good players. Probably 2cd and 3rd best batsmen in the series. 90 minutes together and England are going to find the test very tough.
Absolutely; they could really do with breaking this partnership before tea.

Moeen finally gets a stab after 44 overs (and promptly tosses up his glorious MoonBall)
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Old 14th July 2017, 15:17   #66
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Not entirely scientific but in terms of man per man and predicted batting order and I realise I'm not analysing the wicket keepers together

Cook >Elgar (a fair margin)
Jennings = Kuhn
Balance < Amla (big margin)
Root > QdK (possibly not by that much)
Bairstow = Du Plessis (too close to call in batting value IMO)
Stokes > Bavuma
Ali >/ Morris (not too much in this IMO
Dawson < Philander (big margin)
Broad > Maharaj (big gap)
Wood v Olivier ?
Anderson > Morkel (by a little amount)

Overall not a lot in that
But Elgar better than Jennings
QDK would bat in a composite side
Cook
Elgar
Amla
Root
Bairstow
Du Plessis or Stokes
QDK
Ali
Philander
Morkel
Anderson

Agree with you not a lot in it.
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Old 14th July 2017, 15:22   #67
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Finally some Moeen. As captain, Root has had a bad day so far.
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Old 14th July 2017, 15:29   #68
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Wouldn't want to predict Amla's final score here.
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Old 14th July 2017, 15:33   #69
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de Kock really is a hell of a player, isn't he. Has all the shots in the book (and then some), but technically strong enough to bat anywhere in the order.
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Old 14th July 2017, 15:37   #70
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Wouldn't want to predict Amla's final score here.
Dropping him may prove as significant as dropping Root in the first test.
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Old 14th July 2017, 15:58   #71
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not much depth to that South African batting, big Vern at 7...
He's at 8.

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Like Bairstow, I think you can bat QdK 4, 5, 6 or 7 depending on the situation.
I like the idea of moving either up the order if their team bats first.

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Not entirely scientific but in terms of man per man and predicted batting order and I realise I'm not analysing the wicket keepers together

Cook >Elgar (a fair margin)
Jennings = Kuhn
Balance < Amla (big margin)
Root > QdK (possibly not by that much)
Bairstow = Du Plessis (too close to call in batting value IMO)
Stokes > Bavuma
Ali >/ Morris (not too much in this IMO
Dawson < Philander (big margin)
Broad > Maharaj (big gap)
Wood v Olivier ?
Anderson > Morkel (by a little amount)

Overall not a lot in that
Bairstow and Ali are much better than Du Plessis and Morris and Stokes is better than Bavuma as a batsman before even considering his bowling.

Wood and Jennings are more proven at international level than Olivier and Kuhn who are basically unknowns at international level.
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Much appears to depend on Anderson and Broad's next spells. The rest have looked pretty useless today (acknowledging Stokes had a chance dropped but has been rubbish otherwise).
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He's at 8.



I like the idea of moving either up the order if their team bats first.



Bairstow and Ali are much better than Du Plessis and Morris and Stokes is better than Bavuma as a batsman before even considering his bowling.

Wood and Jennings are more proven at international level than Olivier and Kuhn who are basically unknowns at international level.
I wouldn't say Bairstow is much better considering he averages quite a lot less than Faf.

Big gift that from De Kock.
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Thank goodness for Broad. Now how will Faf bat...
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Old 14th July 2017, 16:23   #76
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I wouldn't say Bairstow is much better considering he averages quite a lot less than Faf.

Big gift that from De Kock.
Over the last two years Bairstow averages 48.79 and Du Plessis 37.65.

Big difference.
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Huge, huge wicket. Are SA throwing it away here?
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Huge, huge wicket. Are SA throwing it away here?
Yes, when you are in and batting really well, it is an absolute cardinal sin to throw your wickets away in the manner that QdK and Amla have just done. England are on top now.
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They both looked nailed on for hundreds, and now the day could really go either way.
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