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Old 14th July 2017, 16:57   #81
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That is a very, very lucky wicket for Stokes. I didn't think he hit that, Snicko or no Snicko.
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Old 14th July 2017, 16:57   #82
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That is the biggest of idiocy in a test match I have seen since KP was playing. "Thou shalt not flash at a wide one first ball of any session" Think it's still mandatory to take a pistol onto a closed room and do the decent thing at Lord's. QdK, have a quiet word with Boycks sometime. Good knock but ......
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Old 14th July 2017, 17:02   #83
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That is a very, very lucky wicket for Stokes. I didn't think he hit that, Snicko or no Snicko.
Whatever, that was a superb take from JB.
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Old 14th July 2017, 17:09   #84
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He's at 8.
Apologies Maty, it appears he's at 7.

Which is a strange decision as Morris is a much better batsman than Philanderer.
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Old 14th July 2017, 17:14   #85
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Odd dismissal from Bavuma. A failed leave... SA could sink fast in the next hour

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Whatever, that was a superb take from JB.
Yes, there is justice in that catch getting a wicket
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Old 14th July 2017, 17:15   #86
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55/4 since tea.
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That is a very, very lucky wicket for Stokes. I didn't think he hit that, Snicko or no Snicko.
definitely brushed his glove. Lucky because the umpire must have thought he nicked it with the bat and Du Plessis referred it because he knew he didn't. Easy for him to miss a slight contact with the glove.
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Old 14th July 2017, 17:17   #88
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definitely brushed his glove. Lucky because the umpire must have thought he nicked it with the bat and Du Plessis referred it because he knew he didn't. Easy for him to miss a slight contact with the glove.
Would have been interesting to see if they would have overturned a "not out" call based on that evidence. Maybe...
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Not entirely scientific but in terms of man per man and predicted batting order and I realise I'm not analysing the wicket keepers together

Cook >Elgar (a fair margin)
Jennings = Kuhn not much in it, but that said Jennings already has a hundred
Balance < Amla (big margin)
Root > QdK (possibly not by that much)
Bairstow = Du Plessis (too close to call in batting value IMO)
Stokes > Bavuma
Ali >/ Morris (not too much in this IMO I'd say there's a lot in it. Morris has played just 2 Tests
Dawson < Philander (big margin)
Broad > Maharaj (big gap)
Wood v Olivier ?
Anderson > Morkel (by a little amount)

Overall not a lot in that
Agree with all except the ones in bold
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Someone mentioned that we could play until 6.51 today because of the rain break. Anyone know if that is correct?
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Good battling partnership from these two. Broad and Anderson look well down on pace.
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The last-wicket recovery has made this a pretty even day. Maybe SA even shaded it a little bit.
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I would give the edge to SA for surviving to the end of day with no further loss. England desperately need the breakthrough first up in the morning.
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Old 14th July 2017, 20:48   #94
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I would give the edge to SA for surviving to the end of day with no further loss. England desperately need the breakthrough first up in the morning.
You could see it being one of those days where they get very frustrated by the tail and start bowling short for no reason, until SA can practically declare...
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350 should make for an interesting game as Broad (who knows more than most about this ground) said that the cloud cover always brings the bowlers into the game here.
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At 220-4 I reckoned England were on top and if they were able to get the last 4 wickets, for say no more than 40 more then IMO they still would be, but not by so much. If SA get to 400+ then they would be in the box seat.
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Missed the match today but its interesting to see how many runs Philander is getting in this series and from the last match, I remember he played correct cricket shots, not just a slog. Is he turning into an all rounder?
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Missed the match today but its interesting to see how many runs Philander is getting in this series and from the last match, I remember he played correct cricket shots, not just a slog. Is he turning into an all rounder?
I always felt that Philander should get more runs than he does. Very nice technique. Very impressed by both he and Morris this evening. Very sensible and have given their team the edge. 350 all out and it's a pretty even game. 400 and SA should win.

Worryingly for England, Broad and Anderson still look head and shoulders above all other bowlers in the country. They both aren't as quick as they used to be, but they have superb skill. Wood, Stokes and the spinners have looked very average, although it was always going to be tough in the first day for the spinners.
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I always felt that Philander should get more runs than he does. Very nice technique. Very impressed by both he and Morris this evening. Very sensible and have given their team the edge. 350 all out and it's a pretty even game. 400 and SA should win.

Worryingly for England, Broad and Anderson still look head and shoulders above all other bowlers in the country. They both aren't as quick as they used to be, but they have superb skill. Wood, Stokes and the spinners have looked very average, although it was always going to be tough in the first day for the spinners.
Man I posted just that in the thread I made. As the Jimmy/Broad era comes to an end, there doesn't seem to be much in the fast bowling department, both in domestics and in terms of the guys making it into the England side.

As for the spinners, gotta cut em slack on the first day of an english test.
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The last-wicket recovery has made this a pretty even day. Maybe SA even shaded it a little bit.
Would agree, I think South Africa have just edged it a fraction.

But of course the break could work to swing it in England's favour if the batsmen can't settle again. But if Morris and Philander can get going again then England could face 400-450.



Interesting that Moeen in particular and to a lesser extent Dawson didn't bowl much (less extent as in I might not expect Dawson to bowl so much) I think it is the ongoing legacy of too many bowling options, I mean what's the point in including an extra bowler or two if you're going to persist with one who isn't taking wickets over said options?!?!?!? And to turn to a seventh bowler, and it not even be Root, well I have to wonder if the captain (as usual for England captains) isn't just guessing what is the best thing to do in the conditions and circumstances.

It's not even like there weren't two sizeable partnerships, but then there's the immediate downside to having so many bowling options, by the time you've rotated and tried everything and the best option gets a second or maybe even third bowl during said sizeable partnership, the others have bowled enough overs they've added 80+.

Quality >>> Quantity, have to wonder if Dawson might be played out of it during this Test as the team doesn't need bits n pieces masquerading as all-rounders. I'd have given TRJ a go over Wood and a proper batsman over Dawson, not purely hindsight just too many 'can bat and can bowl' options (various degrees of 'all-roundedness'), dual role if you prefer to include the keeper so those who bat and bowl/keep start at NUMBER FIVE.......

Just as well for England that South Africa haven't punched too much of a weight so far.
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