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Old 20th July 2017, 17:02   #21
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Bairstow should bat above Stokes.
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Old 20th July 2017, 17:26   #22
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If Malan plays at the Oval, likely to bat 5 and Bairstow move to 7.
Aggers is obviously a wonderful TMS presenter and summariser but he would be almost last on the list of pundits I'd listen to. I think Ali is better than a number 8 though, he's done more than enough as a number 5 to remain there IMO.
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Westley and Malan. Good luck to them but I don't have much hope. You might as well run a reality TV competition to pick England's next no3.

Perhaps Malan has been called up for his spin bowling and will bat at 8.
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Old 20th July 2017, 18:08   #24
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That's why he gets the 150-199k salary.
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Old 20th July 2017, 19:29   #29
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Aggers is obviously a wonderful TMS presenter and summariser but he would be almost last on the list of pundits I'd listen to. I think Ali is better than a number 8 though, he's done more than enough as a number 5 to remain there IMO.
This exactly. Ali is a number 5, with Bairstow at 4 and Root at 3.
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Westley getting selected is clearly a Surrey-led ECB conspiracy to scupper Essex's charge to the County Championship. Those ******** at the Oval Towers will stop short of nothing to maximise their chances of winning.

It's always County Cricket that has to answer for these selectorial whims.
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Old 21st July 2017, 05:21   #31
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Westley and Malan. Good luck to them but I don't have much hope. You might as well run a reality TV competition to pick England's next no3.

Perhaps Malan has been called up for his spin bowling and will bat at 8.
I suspect they've picked a 13 for the next 2 tests as they are back to back. Day 4 and 5 at The Oval tends to offer a spinner something. Stokes had a bit of a limp at the end of the last test and I suspect Malan would come in if not fit. Old Trafford is not generally spin friendly so 8 batsmen makes more sense. Psychologically a good call as I suspect Ali, Stokes and Bairstow all believe they should bat at 5, so seeing an extra bat in the squad my well sharpen their minds a little.
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Old 21st July 2017, 07:39   #32
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This exactly. Ali is a number 5, with Bairstow at 4 and Root at 3.
BBC are stating Westley will replace Ballance at #3, they don't normally make bold statements without solid grounds.

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Little chance Malan will open so looking like it could be :

Cook
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Anderson

Or possibly Malan for Dawson which I'd suggest would mean perhaps him batting #5 or #6 and those below shufting down the order one. England need more batting, even if only whilst batsmen yet to find their feet take a while to look down and see whether they are there and hopefully not under them all the time ie don't get stuck in the crease on the back foot all the time.

Might be a bit harsh to leave out Dawson who has not done a lot with the bat, but should the expectation for him to do so batting down the order be expected to make runs just because Ali has, low pressure it may be down there but it's early days for Dawson and his bowling figures are ok.

My reasoning is England need more batting, they have underegged it in ODIs for a while and this six bowler malarkey is leaving the batting thin and for no great gain with the bowling - South Africa making 361, 335 and 343/9d outside of their ONE collapse. England have scored over 250 only ONCE so far and that was in no small part down to Root.

Whilst deciding whether to persist with a player or not is never easy, Wood has taken 13 wickets in his last 7 Tests @ 49.15 and his career average to date not particularly great (26 wkts @ 40.65). Surely TRJ deserves a chance.
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Old 21st July 2017, 08:21   #33
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BBC are stating Westley will replace Ballance at #3, they don't normally make bold statements without solid grounds.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/40666788

Little chance Malan will open so looking like it could be :

Cook
Jennings - 99 runs in last 7 inns @ 14.14
Westley
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Dawson
Roland-Jones
Broad
Anderson

Or possibly Malan for Dawson which I'd suggest would mean perhaps him batting #5 or #6 and those below shufting down the order one. England need more batting, even if only whilst batsmen yet to find their feet take a while to look down and see whether they are there and hopefully not under them all the time ie don't get stuck in the crease on the back foot all the time.

Might be a bit harsh to leave out Dawson who has not done a lot with the bat, but should the expectation for him to do so batting down the order be expected to make runs just because Ali has, low pressure it may be down there but it's early days for Dawson and his bowling figures are ok.

My reasoning is England need more batting, they have underegged it in ODIs for a while and this six bowler malarkey is leaving the batting thin and for no great gain with the bowling - South Africa making 361, 335 and 343/9d outside of their ONE collapse. England have scored over 250 only ONCE so far and that was in no small part down to Root.

Whilst deciding whether to persist with a player or not is never easy, Wood has taken 13 wickets in his last 7 Tests @ 49.15 and his career average to date not particularly great (26 wkts @ 40.65). Surely TRJ deserves a chance.
I think that will be the team and Malan will come in for Dawson at Old Trafford unless the batting and or Dawson really perform.
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I'm still wondering how Jeremy Vine is worth 750K. He is awful.

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This exactly. Ali is a number 5, with Bairstow at 4 and Root at 3.
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This exactly. Ali is a number 5, with Bairstow at 4 and Root at 3.
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I'd mark it as just under sixty-seven out of a hundred.

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Westley getting selected is clearly a Surrey-led ECB conspiracy to scupper Essex's charge to the County Championship. Those ******** at the Oval Towers will stop short of nothing to maximise their chances of winning.

It's always County Cricket that has to answer for these selectorial whims.
Fortunately, Essex's batting has been in pretty robust shape, six players other than Cook and Westley making hundreds this year. and averaging in excess of 40. I'd be more concerned if Porter got picked..

Local pride in a player being called up for his country? Nope, not these days.
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Malan turns 30 in September and Westley is 28, so I'm not sure about age being a factor with Stoneman.
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Why is Root trying so hard to avoid number 3? What's wrong with him?

Isn't Stoneman about 31? If he comes in, does well, stays fit, by modern standards he could play another 4-5 years if not more. Hardly bad for the future. I'd rather him than Westley tbh.
Stoneman turned 30 last month and he's an opener. Westley normally bats at 3 anyway, so why move Root to 3 if he's not happy with that and put someone else at 4? Stoneman is an opener and would be more an alternative to Jennings IMO.
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Given Stokes' recent form with the bat, Malan at 5, Bairstow at 6, Moeen at 7 and Stokes at 8 might be more logical.

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Westley and Malan. Good luck to them but I don't have much hope. You might as well run a reality TV competition to pick England's next no3.

Perhaps Malan has been called up for his spin bowling and will bat at 8.
We seem to have reached a state where it's difficult to strike a balance between giving new caps a fair chance and pulling people out of the firing line because they just aren't delivering. For some time now the current XI has consisted of seven players who are more or less inked in for the foreseeable future (Cook, Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Moeen, Anderson, Broad) augmented by four who are regarded as inadequate or unsuitable by a large number of observers. Those other four slots have been filled by Duckett, Hameed, Buttler, Batty, Ansari, Rashid, Ballance, Finn, Jennings, Dawson, Wood and probably one or two more besides within the last 12 months alone.

Malan is a decent 4 or 5 who offers a leg spin bowling option. Root and Westley can also bowl off spin. I don't think we really need Dawson with all these other people able to bowl spin; he's just not that good a bowler that he demands selection. Five front line bowlers (Anderson, Broad, Stokes, Moeen, Wood/TRJ) is ample. If we're going to persevere with six, or if the pitch is a real turner, it would make more sense for the second spinner to be someone who might run through the tail or get good batsmen out on a good pitch, e.g Jack Leach.
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