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Old 27th July 2017, 11:58   #141
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Feels like a bit of a watershed test match. Almost as if Root and the management have accepted a poor two years and they're starting again with some new players.
If they have then they're pretending not to, since the party line is that Ballance would be playing if fit. They did have the appearance of having started again with a new player in Dawson, but since they can only hold their bottle for a test match or two before caving in to the demands of the journos' chorus, he had to go.

Moeen Ali: England still haven't a clue what to do with him. He isn't the best available spinner and he isn't trusted to bat in the top six. Despite the appearance of some progress over the winter on this front (play him as a batsman and pick a real spinner), England have reverted to type.

Jonny Bairstow: England still haven't a clue what to do with him. He's been shifted up and down and all around the order without really delivering. His keeping has improved as expected, but whether that will quieten the demands for him to be stripped of the gloves remains to be seen.

I doubt there will be much progress with this team for the foreseeable future. Bayliss is hopeless, Root is from the right kind of family, and the ECB plan is for the team to play in a manner unsuited to the format. Having said that, we're usually only a couple of decent partnerships away from feeling a bit better about things.
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Old 27th July 2017, 12:15   #142
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Jennings looking good here.
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Old 27th July 2017, 12:15   #143
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HAHAHA.

I ****ing called it. I have Saturday's lottery numbers btw.
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Old 27th July 2017, 12:17   #144
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He's clueless.

99 runs in 8 innings since his debut ton. Hmmm. Lots of failures. Never sees the new ball off. At least Hales managed that and he isn't even an opening bat!

Surely the approach to Philander is to bat an extra foot outside the crease? He's not quick so you won't be rushed.
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Old 27th July 2017, 12:17   #145
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Come on Tom. I have the nerves.
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Old 27th July 2017, 12:17   #146
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Feel desperately sad for him, but it's really not looking good for his Test career.

Poor Tom Westley might have hoped to sit in the pavilion a little longer
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Old 27th July 2017, 12:18   #147
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Old 27th July 2017, 12:18   #148
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HAHAHA.

I ****ing called it. I have Saturday's lottery numbers btw.
Yet again, we'll be looking for Strauss's replacement on Tuesday.
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Old 27th July 2017, 12:24   #149
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Kuhn concedes four overthrows. Has he become a net run-scorer for England?
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Old 27th July 2017, 12:29   #150
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Old 27th July 2017, 12:35   #151
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I think it's definitely a blessing. Ballance was only in the team anyway because the system can be bent by the captain. We should have been trying out someone new from the start of the series rather than returning to a players whose technique is inadequate and unimproved. If Westley fails in two tests we'll find ourselves at the end of the series where we should be right now. As for Wood, I think it was fair enough to give him first crack in this series since his reputation had ballooned since his previous test, but he's been a waste of space as far as wickets are concerned and it's hard to imagine anyone doing significantly worse, especially as we don't need a fourth seamer anyway. Again, if the replacement doesn't make an impact we'll have discovered something about TRJ that we already know about Wood, so that'll be progress. Truth be told I think both Ballance and Wood could probably have been declared fit to play had they been worth picking.
Ballance was in the team as the leading English run-scorer in the Championship.

Two tests isn't enough to know whether Westley is the answer either.

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having Mo as low as 8 is ridiculous.
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I'd far rather have him at 8. He's easily the best no.8 in world cricket whereas he's a more marginal selection at say 5 or 6.
I'd rather have players who were best in the world at that position than marginal. I don't get why people are so determined to turn strengths into weaknesses?

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Toss won and bat first.

Gonna call the 4th over for when Essex have two batsmen at the crease for England.

Be first time since '09 won't it?
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Jennings looking good here.
Your predictions would be more impressive if you didn't make conflicting ones then claim the one that was right and the other one was ironic.

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Kuhn concedes four overthrows. Has he become a net run-scorer for England?
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Old 27th July 2017, 12:36   #152
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Your predictions would be more impressive if you didn't make conflicting ones then claim the one that was right and the other one was ironic.
Anyone watching Jenning's tortuous stay would know that I was clearly being ironic. He looks welly out of his depth.
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Old 27th July 2017, 12:37   #153
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Your predictions would be more impressive if you didn't make conflicting ones then claim the one that was right and the other one was ironic.
I think (hope) he was being ironic. Jennings looked like a fish out of water.
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Old 27th July 2017, 12:45   #154
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Someone better alert Stoneman he might get game next Friday.
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Ballance was in the team as the leading English run-scorer in the Championship.

Two tests isn't enough to know whether Westley is the answer either.
Ballance's selection was reported rather early in the season, as a byproduct of Root's elevation. I don't think his county runs did anything apart from lend a thin veneer of respectability to what was basically a bent pick. After all, it's fairly normal for people who've been proved not to be quite good enough for test cricket, and who aren't Ian Bell, to make lots of runs in the CC.

Yes, two tests won't be enough to judge Westley on. That's why he (or some other debutant hopeful) should have been playing since the beginning of the series. The Ballance selection simply wasted time.

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... I'd far rather have [Moeen] him at 8. He's easily the best no.8 in world cricket whereas he's a more marginal selection at say 5 or 6.
I'd rather have players who were best in the world at that position than marginal. I don't get why people are so determined to turn strengths into weaknesses?
I think most of the no. 8s in world cricket are probably better bowlers than Moeen. It's a bowling position. Rashid would be a better no. 8 than Moeen. Yes, of course, all other things being equal, you'd take the better batsman at 8. But when he's being picked in preference to a better bowler, Moeen at 8 is simply an admission that the people picked as batsmen can't do the job properly. Why are you so keen to present a weakness as a strength?
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I now I shouldn't say this but .... I like the look of Westley. Looks confident and his foot movement is decisive.
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Didn't Moeen get four hundreds last year? It must have been as many as Stokes and Bairstow put together, or close to it. I'd have just put him at 5 and picked a proper spinner to replace Dawson. I can't help but feel we'd have been better off just sticking with Hameed regardless of no county runs.
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Ballance's selection was reported rather early in the season, as a byproduct of Root's elevation. I don't think his county runs did anything apart from lend a thin veneer of respectability to what was basically a bent pick. After all, it's fairly normal for people who've been proved not to be quite good enough for test cricket, and who aren't Ian Bell, to make lots of runs in the CC.

Yes, two tests won't be enough to judge Westley on. That's why he (or some other debutant hopeful) should have been playing since the beginning of the series. The Ballance selection simply wasted time.

I think most of the no. 8s in world cricket are probably better bowlers than Moeen. It's a bowling position. Rashid would be a better no. 8 than Moeen. Yes, of course, all other things being equal, you'd take the better batsman at 8. But when he's being picked in preference to a better bowler, Moeen at 8 is simply an admission that the people picked as batsmen can't do the job properly. Why are you so keen to present a weakness as a strength?
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Old 27th July 2017, 13:00   #159
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How does Westley look? (Question for those with Sky)

Edit: Just read Notts Exile's comment which sounds encouraging.
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Pleasantly surprised.
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