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Old 6th December 2008, 16:13   #161
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Well Southee has been dropped. He had an amazing Under 19 World Cup but I never thought he would go on like Sharma has. I think he might do well in ODIs should he manage to get back in the side. People will say he is only 19 and has only played 4 Tests but he will have to wait for injuries to the other fast bowlers.

4 Tests 10 wickets at 42.30

Franklin is quite an interesting left arm bowler. Sometimes he goes for lots of runs and other times is amazing. Another leftie to join Khan, Singh, Pathan, Sidebottom, Vaas, Johnson, Tanvir.

The only bowlers still playing with strike rates of under 50.0, a must for any team. I have a feeling that Steyn's will rise when he faces Australia this month. Franklin and Asif stand out as they aren't as fast as the other four. Usually these types of bowlers go for more runs than a good Test fast bowler who would have an economy rate of under 3.0 but as a team you would want one as they can be really called strike bowlers. I think an ideal for a bowler would be an average under 25.0, economy under 3.0 and a strike rate under 50 but those bowlers are few and far between. Asif seems to be the nearest but he has been out of cricket a while and when he comes back might have different stats after having used Nandralone.

37.5 - Steyn (ave 22.67 econ 3.62)
38.9 - Bond (ave 22.39 econ 3.44)
45.7 - Akhtar, Asif (ave 25.69 econ 3.37, ave 23.13 econ 3.03)
47.0 - Franklin (ave 28.19 econ 3.59)
47.8 - Jones (ave 28.23 econ 3.54)
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Old 6th December 2008, 20:55   #162
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Well Southee has been dropped. He had an amazing Under 19 World Cup but I never thought he would go on like Sharma has. I think he might do well in ODIs should he manage to get back in the side. People will say he is only 19 and has only played 4 Tests but he will have to wait for injuries to the other fast bowlers.

4 Tests 10 wickets at 42.30

Franklin is quite an interesting left arm bowler. Sometimes he goes for lots of runs and other times is amazing. Another leftie to join Khan, Singh, Pathan, Sidebottom, Vaas, Johnson, Tanvir.

The only bowlers still playing with strike rates of under 50.0, a must for any team. I have a feeling that Steyn's will rise when he faces Australia this month. Franklin and Asif stand out as they aren't as fast as the other four. Usually these types of bowlers go for more runs than a good Test fast bowler who would have an economy rate of under 3.0 but as a team you would want one as they can be really called strike bowlers. I think an ideal for a bowler would be an average under 25.0, economy under 3.0 and a strike rate under 50 but those bowlers are few and far between. Asif seems to be the nearest but he has been out of cricket a while and when he comes back might have different stats after having used Nandralone.

37.5 - Steyn (ave 22.67 econ 3.62)
38.9 - Bond (ave 22.39 econ 3.44)
45.7 - Akhtar, Asif (ave 25.69 econ 3.37, ave 23.13 econ 3.03)
47.0 - Franklin (ave 28.19 econ 3.59)
47.8 - Jones (ave 28.23 econ 3.54)
I was surprised to see Franklin has as many as 76 test wickets. Whilst his strike-rate is pretty good, he only has three 5-fers, against Australia, Bangladesh and the West Indies, three of the weaker nations in test cricket. If he has such a good strike-rate, should he not have more 5 wicket hauls?

In contrast Steyn has three times as many in just 6 more tests (27 compared to 21), Bond has more in 4 tests fewer, Akhtar had 4 times as many in little over half as many tests, Asif has more in half as many. Jones also only has three 5 wicket hauls, but again in fewer tests.
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Franklin is consistent. He reminds me of Gladstone Smalls early career in this respect.

Steyn just takes advantage of playing ***** nations.
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Old 6th December 2008, 20:59   #164
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Good to see Franklin back in International cricket after all his injury problems. Southee will come again I'm sure. Time in domestic cricket will do him good in fact I'm sure a stint in England playing for a county would really help.
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Surprised Chris Martin has been dropped. I thought he was a mainstay of the Kiwi's attack.
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I was surprised to see Franklin has as many as 76 test wickets. Whilst his strike-rate is pretty good, he only has three 5-fers, against Australia, Bangladesh and the West Indies, three of the weaker nations in test cricket. If he has such a good strike-rate, should he not have more 5 wicket hauls?

In contrast Steyn has three times as many in just 6 more tests (27 compared to 21), Bond has more in 4 tests fewer, Akhtar had 4 times as many in little over half as many tests, Asif has more in half as many. Jones also only has three 5 wicket hauls, but again in fewer tests.

v Aus 44.58
v Ban 10.71
v Eng 27.16
v Pak 21.42
v SA 25.60
v SL 28.46
v WI 39.00
v Zim 16.16

Well he has not done very well against the two of the weaker sides you mention Aus and West Indies. He has only played 21 Tests so it's a 5fer every 7 Tests at this early stage in his career, like another left armer Vaas who has also has taken one every 7 Tests. With Pollock it was one every 6 Tests but he still went on to take 421 wickets.
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Old 7th December 2008, 02:13   #167
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v Aus 44.58
v Ban 10.71
v Eng 27.16
v Pak 21.42
v SA 25.60
v SL 28.46
v WI 39.00
v Zim 16.16

Well he has not done very well against the two of the weaker sides you mention Aus and West Indies. He has only played 21 Tests so it's a 5fer every 7 Tests at this early stage in his career, like another left armer Vaas who has also has taken one every 7 Tests. With Pollock it was one every 6 Tests but he still went on to take 421 wickets.
Pollock and Vaas were fine bowlers, but I wouldn't consider either strike bowlers. I don't think Franklin is in their class either, and I think his record benefits from a small sample size.
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Pollock and Vaas were fine bowlers, but I wouldn't consider either strike bowlers. I don't think Franklin is in their class either, and I think his record benefits from a small sample size.
No I wouldn't call them strike bowlers either and I agree he is not in their class and won't have as long a career as they did. Just picking the first names I could think off here are the bowler's s/rs at their 21st Test and how they stand at present. I don't think Steyn and Franklin will keep their present strike rates just as Lee and Gillespie haven't. Donald and Akhtar got theirs under 50.0

46 wickets at 37.84 econ 2.94 s/r 77.2 - Ntini - present - 51.5
68 wickets at 38.62 econ 3.28 s/r 70.5 - ZKhan - 62.6
74 wickets at 32.35 econ 3.11 s/r 62.2 - Caddick - 57.9
78 wickets at 32.35 econ 3.18 s/r 61.0 - Hoggard - 56.0
86 wickets at 26.56 econ 2.70 s/r 58.8 - McGrath - 51.9
75 wickets at 25.34 econ 2.75 s/r 55.2 - Walsh - 57.8
69 wickets at 29.85 econ 3.39 s/r 52.8 - Akhtar - 45.7
97 wickets at 25.06 econ 2.95 s/r 50.8 - Donald - 47.0

109 wickets at 21.94 econ 3.60 s/r 36.5 - Steyn - 37.5
86 wickets at 22.53 econ 2.92 s/r 46.10 - Gillespie - 54.9
84 wickets at 26.82 econ 3.46 s/r 46.4 - Lee - 52.1
76 wickets at 28.19 econ 4.59 s/r 47.0 - Franklin -47.0
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Bowlers still bowling who have over 100 wickets

756 - Murali (36)
374 - Ntini (31)
348 - Vaas (34)
314 - Harbhajan (28)
310 - Lee (32)
285 - Vettori (29)
248 - Hoggard, Kallis (31), (33)
220 - Kaneria (28)
217 - Harmison (30)
213 - Flintoff (31)
197 - Khan (30)
178 - Akhtar (33)
146 - Martin (34)
140 - Steyn (25)
123 - Nel (31)
119 - Panesar (26)
108 - Anderson (26)
105 - Edwards (26)
100 - Pathan (24)

The bowlers who have over 150 wickets who are under 30 are the spinners Harbhajan, Vettori and Kaneria. All have another 10 years international bowling.

Murali could play another 4 years and as he averages about 62 wickets a year so he possibly could have 1000 wickets. I don't think anyone will go past him but then I thought no one would ever pass Walsh when he got his 500th wicket.

Only one fast bowler has managed to pass him, McGrath with 563. With all the cricket around these days no fast bowler will match McGrath's international career of 15 years.

Maybe Ntini and Vaas are hoping to make that 500 mark but the older they get the more chance of injuries and an up and coming bowler replacing them after a couple of poor series. Lee has said he wants to play another 4 years but he might not even be playing in the next match.
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End of year update on young bowlers 27 and under


29 Tests - 150 wickets at 22.66 econ 3.61 s/r 37.60 - Steyn (25)
11 Tests - 51 wickets at 23.13 econ 3.03 s/r 45.70 - Asif (26)
6 Tests - 19 wickets at 25.26 econ 3.69 s/r 41.00 - Zondeki (26)
17 Tests - 74 wickets at 28.58 econ 3.04 s/r 56.30 - Johnson (27)
14 Tests - 50 wickets at 31.46 econ 3.28 s/r 57.40 - Sreesanth (25)
16 Tests - 67 wickets at 31.55 econ 3.51 s/r 53.90 - Gul (24)
15 Tests - 44 wickets at 31.59 econ 3.12 s/r 60.60 - Sharma (20)
29 Tests - 100 wickets at 32.26 econ 3.28 s/r 58.80 - Pathan (24)
14 Tests - 46 wickets at 32.47 econ 3.72 s/r 52.30 - Morkel (24)
9 Tests - 28 wickets at 33.57 econ 2.98 s/r 67.50 - Patel (25)
28 Tests - 91 wickets at 33.80 econ 3.86 s/r 52.40 - Malinga (25)
22 Tests - 68 wickets at 35.14 econ 3.58 s/r 58.70 - Taylor (24)
31 Tests - 108 wickets at 35.22 econ 3.59 s/r 58.70 - Anderson (26)
36 Tests - 106 wickets at 38.67 econ 3.98 s/r 58.20 - Edwards (26)
13 Tests - 40 wickets at 39.10 econ 4.02 s/r 58.20 - RP Singh (23)
9 Tests - 23 wickets at 39.82 econ 3.57 s/r 66.80 - Plunkett (23)
33 Tests - 71 wickets at 41.91 econ 3.24 s/r 77.30 - Mortaza (25)
4 Tests - 10 wickets at 42.30 econ 3.39 s/r 74.70 - Southee (20)
10 Tests - 26 wickets at 45.23 econ 3.25 s/r 83.30 - Broad (22)
3 Tests -9 wickets at 46.55 econ 3.13 s/r 89.20 - Siddle (24)
3 Tests - 5 wickets at 60.40 econ 4.37 s/r 82.80 - Tait (25)
2 Tests - 5 wickets at 63.20 econ 3.76 s/r 100.80 - Tanvir (24)


Steyn
103rd fastest to 50 wickets
15th fastest to 100 wickets
6th fastest to 150 wickets

2nd best strike rate of 37.6 and leading wicket taker 2008 - 74

Most wickets for SA
1 Pollock 421
2 Ntini 377
3 Donald 330
4 Kallis 250
5 Tayfield 170
6 Steyn 150

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11 ODIs - 20 wickets at 20.90 econ 4.66 s/r 26.90 - Southee (20)
18 ODIs - 33 wickets at 23.45 econ 5.46 s/r 25.70 - Tait (25)
42 ODIs - 65 wickets at 23.46 econ 4.72 s/r 29.80 - Johnson (27)
82 ODIs - 108 wickets at 24.33 econ 4.64 s/r 31.40 - Maharoof (24)
53 ODIs - 79 wickets at 25.58 econ 4.80 s/r 31.90 - Malinga (25)
27 ODIs - 43 wickets at 26.00 econ 4.81 s/r 32.30 - Tanvir (24)
1 ODI - 1 wicket at 26.00 econ 3.71 s/r 42.00 - Hilfenhaus (25)
54 ODIs - 82 wickets at 26.46 econ 4.69 s/r 33.80 - Taylor (24)
51 ODIs - 73 wickets at 26.87 econ 4.92 s/r 32.70 - Gul (24)
42 ODIs - 62 wickets at 27.58 econ 4.94 s/r 33.40 - Broad (22)
16 ODIs - 24 wickets at 28.29 econ 4.90 s/r 34.50 - Morkel (24)
37 ODIs - 46 wickets at 29.10 econ 4.61 s/r 37.80 - Patel (25)
105 ODIs -148 wickets at 29.95 econ 5.21 s/r 34.40 - Pathan (24)
20 ODIs - 25 wickets at 31.28 econ 5.46 s/r 34.30 - Steyn (25)
41 ODIs - 59 wickets at 31.45 econ 5.78 s/r 32.60 - Sreesanth (25)
20 ODIs - 27 wickets at 31.48 econ 5.34 s/r 35.30 - Sharma (20)
101 ODIs - 127 wickets at 31.62 econ 4.94 s/r 38.30 - Anderson (26)
97 ODIs - 121 wickets at 32.00 econ 4.69 s/r 40.90 - Mortaza (25)
47 ODIs - 60 wickets at 32.25 econ 5.36 s/r 36.00 - RP Singh (23)
31 ODIs - 36 wickets at 33.27 econ 4.67 s/r 42.70 - Asif (26)
27 ODIs - 37 wickets at 34.05 econ 5.85 s/r 34.80 - Plunkett (23)
30 ODIs - 25 wickets at 36.76 econ 4.97 s/r 44.30 - Rampaul (24)
13 ODIs - 11 wickets at 45.81 econ 5.41 s/r 50.70 - Zondeki (26)

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Great work as ever FBU.
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I'll add these stats up here as well


Records v India over last 2 years

Mendis 11 @ 18.38
Steyn 21 @ 18.61
Murali 21 @ 22.23
Flintoff 7 @ 29.42
Lee 32 @ 32.34
Morkel 11 @ 33.13
Ntini 11 @ 34.36
Clark 16 @ 34.75
Johnson 29 @ 36.24
Sidebottom 8 @ 37.87
Anderson 18 @ 39.55
Vaas 5 @ 44.00
Panesar 14 @ 50.42
Kallis 2 @ 93.50
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v SA over last 2 years


Sharma 5 @ 14.60
Bravo 10 @ 20.30
Johnson 13 @ 24.76
Harbhajan 19 @ 26.10
Zaheer 5 @ 27.20
Panesar 13 @ 31.69
Taylor 9 @ 31.77
Sideshow 6 @ 32.33
Martin 6 @ 33.83
Anderson 15 @ 33.93
Flintoff 9 @ 36.44
O'Brien 3 @ 64
Vettori 3 @67.66
Edwards 3 @ 78.00
Oram 1 @ 80
Lee 1 @ 249.00

Murali, Clark, Mills and a few others haven't played them
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Batsmen in the top 10 and the bowlers who have taken their wicket the most times

Chanderpaul - Kumble (10)
Yousuf - Murali (9)
Sangakkara - Boje (5)
Pietersen - Lee/Murali (6)
Clarke - Harmison/Kumble (6)
Jayawardene - Flintoff (6)
Ponting - Harbhajan (10)
Khan - McGrath/Kumble/Murali (5)
Smith - Martin (6)
Gambhir - Sami (4)

Bowlers

Murali - Boucher (12)
Steyn - Styris/McCullum/Iqbal/Harbhajan (4)
Clark - Kalllis/Strauss/Collingwood/Cook (4)
Johnson - Ganguly (4)
Ntini - Gayle/Trescothick/Hayden (9)
Sidebottom - Oram/Vettori (6)
Vaas - Gayle (7)
Harbhajan - Ponting (10)
Akhtar - Kallis/Dravid (4)
Lee - Sarwan (10)
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I love the fact that Sanga is Boje's bunny.
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I love the fact that Sanga is Boje's bunny.

yes he cant be happy with that - are they Bojes only wickets?
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yes he cant be happy with that - are they Bojes only wickets?
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100 Test wickets at 42.65 econ 2.97 s/r 86.20 (43 matches)
96 ODI wickets at 35.57 econ 4.51 s/r 47.30 (115 matches)
FBU how many times has Sharma sorted out Ponting in both tests and ODI's. I know it was 3 times in the recent series in India and at least once in Aus in tests (Perth) but how many times overall?
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No, he ended up with
100 Test wickets at 42.65 econ 2.97 s/r 86.20 (43 matches)
96 ODI wickets at 35.57 econ 4.51 s/r 47.30 (115 matches)
i know really - its just amazing that such a good batsman can get out to such a mediocre bowler so many times
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FBU how many times has Sharma sorted out Ponting in both tests and ODI's. I know it was 3 times in the recent series in India and at least once in Aus in tests (Perth) but how many times overall?
Five times in seven tests and once in five ODIs.
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