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Old 3rd March 2008, 15:49   #161
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Well that sure beats your other pro Boa Morte wind up! I really haven't seen enough of Ambrose to make a comment but all I can say is that I've heard his keeping is decent and that he can bat, whereas previous incumbents have had one or both disciplines as a major fault.
For me LBM fully justified his 6 million fee on Saturday by getting the Lump sent off. This was worth at least 5 goals to me so we won 5-4 as well.
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Old 3rd March 2008, 15:57   #162
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For me LBM fully justified his 6 million fee on Saturday by getting the Lump sent off. This was worth at least 5 goals to me so we won 5-4 as well.
I did think in similar lines actually but I'm not a wum. Anyway I'm off now, this thread may die a death until tomorrow but I wouldn't bet on it.
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Old 4th March 2008, 09:38   #163
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I wonder whether they us Access instead of mysql for their dbase connection on here because its very slow at times.

Anyway the team has been announced and Ambrose is in it. What the selectors must do is back him now for the next year. Its no good constantly swapping and changing because we'll never get anywhere like that.

As I'm a Bears fans, I've seen a lot of Ambrose. At the beginning of last season he was phenominal. He won us at least three games in the friends provident and outshone Kumar Sangakarrra. His 251 no against Worcester was chanceless. He's a very acomplished batsman not too disimilar to Prior, but they were coached by the same guy. H'es not as good a keeper as Reed or possibly Foster but he comes into the next category of keepers and definately is a lot better than Jones or Prior.

I just hope hes given every chance and every fault isn't scrutinised by the media.
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Old 8th March 2008, 00:42   #164
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Gutsy innings.
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Old 8th March 2008, 06:57   #165
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Ambrose goes the way of the past few keepers we have used by getting a good start to his career (didn't Prior score a 50 in his first game? And Jones got a century - v New Zealand - in his first series) however unlike those two hopefully he can push on with it.
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Old 8th March 2008, 08:50   #166
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Old 8th March 2008, 11:38   #167
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Ambrose goes the way of the past few keepers we have used by getting a good start to his career (didn't Prior score a 50 in his first game? And Jones got a century - v New Zealand - in his first series) however unlike those two hopefully he can push on with it.
The contrast between Ambrose and those two predecessors is extreme. Unlike them, he seems to be OK at keeping wicket.
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Old 8th March 2008, 13:24   #168
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The contrast between Ambrose and those two predecessors is extreme. Unlike them, he seems to be OK at keeping wicket.
He did look good with the gloves. Almost as good as Prior in the first two Tests in Sri Lanka
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Old 8th March 2008, 13:46   #169
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He did look good with the gloves. Almost as good as Prior in the first two Tests in Sri Lanka
I know Prior had a very bad third test in comparison with the first two but that doesn't mean that his keeping was flawless. Ambrose has looked very good.
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Yes I was being a bit mischeivous. He has looked very accomplished in both areas, but so did the others at some time or other, except Read. His batting reminded me quite a lot of Murray Goodwin. Hopefully everybody is more forgiving to keepers now and he can quietly get on with the job
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Ambrose goes the way of the past few keepers we have used by getting a good start to his career (didn't Prior score a 50 in his first game? And Jones got a century - v New Zealand - in his first series) however unlike those two hopefully he can push on with it.
A mere 126 not out in his first innings, actually.

And Jones's century wasn't in his first series, exactly, as he made his debut v. West Indies. It was his first full series though.
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Old 8th March 2008, 15:23   #172
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Ambrose goes the way of the past few keepers we have used by getting a good start to his career (didn't Prior score a 50 in his first game? And Jones got a century - v New Zealand - in his first series) however unlike those two hopefully he can push on with it.
Key difference was that you didnt notice his keeping at all - which is a very good sign. He's been remarkably calm as well given my only fret about him was a tendency to nerves in the past.

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Old 8th March 2008, 15:29   #173
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Well done to Ambrose so far kept very tidily batted well, bit quiet behind the stumps though.
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Ambrose looks good. Lets stick with him and stop looking for someone else the minute he drops a catch or has a bad test with the bat.
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Agreed. As long as he continues to 'keep consistently competently then there's really nothing to be achieved in changing. There will probably be the odd drop no matter who is picked but basic competence is a must. As for the batting, give him time and see if he develops.
I was listening to Derek Underwood the other night and apart from noting that Alan Knott was generally quiet behind the stumps - in contrast for the current fashion for a blabber mouth - he said how useful it was to a) have a 'keeper who you knew would take every chance and, b) have a 'keeper with whom you could work out new ways to dismiss batsmen, especially when things weren't going your way. That's the sort of relationship between 'keeper and bowlers that only comes with time and is perhaps, part of the reason Panesar noted that he enjoyed working with Read.
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It's early days but yes, Ambrose really impressed this test. Shame he couldn't rise above the headless incompetence of the second innings though. Anyway, he gets a good run now, barring disaster and will hopefully prove the real deal. If he can keep consistently as well as he did I might even relax the batting average requirement for a keeper a notch or two below 30. Perhaps 27.5 would do.
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It's early days but yes, Ambrose really impressed this test. Shame he couldn't rise above the headless incompetence of the second innings though. Anyway, he gets a good run now, barring disaster and will hopefully prove the real deal. If he can keep consistently as well as he did I might even relax the batting average requirement for a keeper a notch or two below 30. Perhaps 27.5 would do.
Ah slogger nice to see you at your mischevous best. Agreed actually the middle ground is perfectly reasonable.
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Given the more limited bowling attack at the moment, a good 'keeper is a must. If by four series time he hasn't made any runs then I might reconsider but I'm not going to make him responsible for not scoring a hundred when all around him are failing.
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Given the more limited bowling attack at the moment, a good 'keeper is a must. If by four series time he hasn't made any runs then I might reconsider but I'm not going to make him responsible for not scoring a hundred when all around him are failing.
A good keeper should have been a must when we had our best bowling attack. It was the least they deserved.
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A good keeper should have been a must when we had our best bowling attack. It was the least they deserved.
Although they enjoyed bowling with runs on the board, a privilege not felt by England's bowlers for a while now.
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