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#1361 |
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Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Berkshire
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Pitch doctoring? And I suppose you accuse India of doing that at home too when their pitches don't meet your requirements?
Jeez. One thing you cannot accuse England of is moaning about the pitch doctoring. They might be poor in Australian conditions but at least they accept those conditions. |
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#1362 | |
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: N Hants
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You can play whatever bowlers you like, but there's not a lot they can do when the batsmen cannot cope with seaming pitches. Smith had scores of 33,33,7,8,6,5 when there was some life in the wickets. |
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#1363 | |
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Not sure what else you can ask for in a batsman, to be honest - people debate Lara/Ponting/Tendulkar/Kallis but Smith's record smashes them all. |
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#1364 |
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Join Date: Aug 2008
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Hmm, I asked a genuine question about whether the Aussie fans thought there side was now a bit more robust and might start fancy winning more series overseas. Seems it's descended into rehashing whose better in what conditions arguments.
I guess the Saffer tour will be a good test, although Australia have generally done quite well there in recent years. If they can keep the three main quicks healthy, I fancy there chances, but I imagine Philander and co at home will re-expose some of the issues in the batting lineup.
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#1365 | ||
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Join Date: Jul 2013
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Lose the toss on those wickets and you'll likely get rolled cheaply and be up against it for the match. Seen it backfire before.
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This is simply a few England fans way of dealing with being demoralised for an entire 5 match series in Aus on unusually slow non bouncy pitches that should really have helped their batsmen a lot more than ours, and the realisation they will be no more than competitive in England. Those conditions in Adelaide were the best an English team could possibly hope for in Aus where everything was in their favour conditions wise, yet they still had no real chance. As Micheal Vaughan says "Australia are a lot closer to winning in England conditions than we are over here. We're miles away from winning here".
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#1366 | |
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No one is moaning about pitches. Your pitches, prepare them any way you like. A few England fans constantly bring it up probably because they were just demoralised for an entire series and understand they will probably struggle to beat Aus in England. So they prefer to rattle on about that time they panicked and specially prepared a pitch, won the toss and Broad had a freakish day. Softens the blow and is quite consoling it seems.
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#1367 | |
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I agree with Vaughan, and yet somehow the last team to win an overseas Ashes was England. |
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#1368 |
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Yeah, won the toss and batted. I don't see why you would have sent the opposition in there, was a good wicket. England bowled well in home conditions. We didn't and were outplayed. It happens.
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#1369 | |
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Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Berkshire
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Vaughan is spot on when he says that Oz are closer to competitive in England than we are down there, that's usually been the case, your skills and strengths are far more transferable. You laugh if an Englishman suggests we might do well in Oz, ever. We laugh when an Australian suggests that your batting line up will cope on an English pitch. History suggests that only the best Australian batting line ups have any success over here and none of the current mob have ever looked at home outside of Lord's and the Oval. Now, you do have a point that our lot might struggle too, given your bowling strengths. At least it should be an interesting series! |
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#1370 | |
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Join Date: Jun 2013
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Yes Australia are better equipped to win away than they have been recently - they have two world class batsmen in Smith who keeps just getting better and a maturing Warner who now seems to be able to "bat to the game situation" - allied to a very good bowling attack including a reliable spinner. There are issues with the batting, keeper and injury record/inexperience of pace bowlers and as we saw when Starc was out the backup is not quite of the same quality (Stokes, Wood, Finn, Ball, Overton all injured for England - although none as good as Starc) - But a maturing team going forward.
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#1371 |
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It's wrong to suggest England served up green tops in 2015. The wickets did offer more for the bowlers than what we've just seen in Australia but they were hardly venomous. The Cape Town wicket just played on, which saw 16 wickets fall on what was essentially day 3 was much more difficult with exaggerated seam movement and uneven bounce. Australia, in recent years, have always struggled to face and control the swing of the Duke ball. Unless they master it better in 18 months, they may still struggle depending on what side England put out.
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#1373 |
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This just isn't that true any more. NZ wickets are vastly better for batting than they were even 10-15 years ago. Gone are the days of just pitching the ball up on a 4th stump line and wait for the batsman to knick the away swinger.
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#1374 |
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That's a shame. Maybe you should adopt Bellerive oval.
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#1375 |
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There is a reason he gets picked and it's not his away form it's because he's surprise surprise rather good in England.... Arguably he shouldn't be picked away from home but even if they'd thought about that for this series our injuries would have had him back in the side anyway.
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#1376 |
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No he's not. He has a good couple of tests v Pakistan but otherwise Wicketless Woakes has been about as mediocre at home as overseas.
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#1377 |
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#1378 | |
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In overcast conditions he's always looked threatening to me, when the ball isn't moving in the air he doesn't look penetrating at all. |
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#1380 |
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Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Dave Warner has some serious technique issues, hes not maturing between the ears as much as a bat of his experience should be.
Soon as he gets squared up hes in trouble, Smith can play his whole game squared up with no dramas but Warner just cannot play square to the wicket. Warners becoming very unreliable. |
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