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Old 24th October 2008, 00:51   #41
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Where are you planning to go to see them?

Not Antigua?

Yep Antigua
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Old 24th October 2008, 01:24   #42
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This is a general point, but it seems to me that there needs to be some sugar-daddy for test cricket to do the same as Stanford so that the balance between Big Bucks Twenytweny...IPL ICL etc are matched by Tests. So things like the Sri lanka tour don't get cancelled etc.

Cricket is witnessing that money makes the world go round, money talks.....

It is such a shame that Stanford has openly stated "I have no interest in test Cricket, to me it's boring" Well what would you expect from a Yank and their concentration spans (except Southerners aren't Yanks I know, I know)

The mere hint of a chance of big bucks talks loudly here in the Caribbean as Shivfan has pointed out

BTW, Hello all, haven't posted for over half a year....that's because I have emmigrated to Tobago; that's the one of T&T.........jebus it's hot here.

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Old 24th October 2008, 09:43   #43
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Well, daz, as you know, the second Test will be in Antigua from Feb 13-17....

Yeah, the WICB are usually late coming up with ticket prices.

Good to talk to a fan based in the Caribbean, jonny!

It's a rare breed on this site....

Never been to Tobago myself, but I understand it's a beautiful place. Pity about the violence that is beginning to creep into that island....

Living in the Caribbean now, I'm sure you've come to realise that Test cricket is only really of interest to West Indian fans of my age - on the wrong side of 40!

So, with that in mind, which sugar-daddy is going to throw his money after a lost cause?
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Old 24th October 2008, 13:10   #44
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Well, daz, as you know, the second Test will be in Antigua from Feb 13-17....

Yeah, the WICB are usually late coming up with ticket prices.

Good to talk to a fan based in the Caribbean, jonny!

It's a rare breed on this site....

Never been to Tobago myself, but I understand it's a beautiful place. Pity about the violence that is beginning to creep into that island....

Living in the Caribbean now, I'm sure you've come to realise that Test cricket is only really of interest to West Indian fans of my age - on the wrong side of 40!

So, with that in mind, which sugar-daddy is going to throw his money after a lost cause?
IF WI start winning again the youngsters will flock back to Test cricket in the WI, have no doubt.

I was talking about a sugar-daddy for Test criket generally rather than The way in which Stanford has concentrated on the WI region. The effect would be throught the test playing nations; but I wouldn't mind if he started in the WI.

It would have to be some very rich person who simply loves the longer game. Does Bill Gates love cricket?

I am now Caribbean based, but from England and sadly (for me) England is my team. But I have always been partial to the WI. It was the amazing WI "Grovel" tour of 1976 that really got me into cricket. Must be a masochist but it was awesome to watch. Been a covert supporter of them ever since. And there cannot be a more fun, humorous and good-natured audience to watch cricket with.

Yeh, Tobago is spectacularly beautiful and peaceful. Crime is increasing, but still not as bad as many of the islands and the locals as a whole are just great, friendly people.
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Old 24th October 2008, 13:34   #45
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For both Jonny and Shiv's sake my first test match was the 'blackwash test' at the Oval in 84 and by that time I was nuts about fast bowling (note my username). I wish to crumbs that WI produced a line of quicks again of high quality, that would bring the crowds back. Even v the Aussies earlier this year the crowds still buzz when a good bouncer whizzes past someone's ear!
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Old 24th October 2008, 15:16   #46
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Well, daz, as you know, the second Test will be in Antigua from Feb 13-17....

Yeah, the WICB are usually late coming up with ticket prices.

I'm all booked and its all paid for just waiting to get my 5 day pass now. Lets hope they keep the party stand like they did against Australia.

I bet the tickets will be a lot dearer than they were against Australia
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[quote=jonnyv;240576]It is such a shame that Stanford has openly stated "I have no interest in test Cricket, to me it's boring" Well what would you expect from a Yank and their concentration spans (except Southerners aren't Yanks I know, I know)

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He is going to be watching one of the Ashes matches at the ground. I don't know which one.

My first ever match
http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/ci/en...tch/64605.html
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Old 24th October 2008, 18:32   #48
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It is such a shame that Stanford has openly stated "I have no interest in test Cricket, to me it's boring" Well what would you expect from a Yank and their concentration spans (except Southerners aren't Yanks I know, I know)

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He is going to be watching one of the Ashes matches at the ground. I don't know which one.

My first ever match
http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/ci/en...tch/64605.html
And you got so excited in telling us that, you've gone and done a 'Kim'.
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Old 25th October 2008, 11:45   #49
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incidentally, one of our regular contributors on the sussex site is on the trinidad cc committee. He tells some interesting facts about wi cricket, including:-

1. Most players are just paid a match fee for playing for, say, Trinidad. They are therefore really semi-professional, and if youre not in WI immediate plans, you cant really make a living out of the game, which means that many fall by the wayside or might never even risk it
2. Coaching is very threadbare. This can also be borne out by 2 west indians playing for sussex whose careers were in freefall (Dwayne Smith & Corey Collymore). One of these players, Dwayne, almost needs re-building from scratch, and the other, Corey, had never been coached re how to bat - Sussex improved his batting in a matter of weeks
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incidentally, one of our regular contributors on the sussex site is on the trinidad cc committee. He tells some interesting facts about wi cricket, including:-

1. Most players are just paid a match fee for playing for, say, Trinidad. They are therefore really semi-professional, and if youre not in WI immediate plans, you cant really make a living out of the game, which means that many fall by the wayside or might never even risk it
2. Coaching is very threadbare. This can also be borne out by 2 west indians playing for sussex whose careers were in freefall (Dwayne Smith & Corey Collymore). One of these players, Dwayne, almost needs re-building from scratch, and the other, Corey, had never been coached re how to bat - Sussex improved his batting in a matter of weeks
One would think that the ICC would be better off investing money into West Indian cricket than spending a fortune trying to diversify into the likes of China and the USA. At least this Stanford thing gives West Indians earning potential, though they have to invest in the First Class structure too for the future of the game
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Old 25th October 2008, 19:14   #51
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You guys have hit the nail on the head....

At least Stanford is putting money into the game, even if it is the 20/20 version. Most of the guys have to find jobs while they play first-class cricket for their team. Xavier Marshall had a job working in a minor post in a hotel on the Jamaican north coast, for example.

That is one reason why the Caribbean cricket fans are so excited about the Stanford competition....
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Old 25th October 2008, 21:59   #52
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the only trouble with stanford money is that you can earn so much more for the 20/20 stuff - so the average west indian will concentrate on this

mind you dont suppose its much different to rest of world
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Old 26th October 2008, 13:55   #53
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the only trouble with stanford money is that you can earn so much more for the 20/20 stuff - so the average west indian will concentrate on this

mind you dont suppose its much different to rest of world
Watching some of it last night, it's clear that a lot of these young players have really good hand-eye coordination, but they seem to have no real basic technique to what they are doing, and backs up the coaching being poor (although you could compare them to Luke Wright who has extreme talent, has had all the coaching in the world and still wants to slog it across the line). People say twenty20 is all about slogging, but watching a technically correct player like Justin Langer play his vast array of shots, which you wouldn't necessarily have seen before in previous forms of the game, is a joy.

I'm not sure, in fact I hugely doubt, if Stanford realises that these players need a grounding in proper coaching if they are going to really provide his tournaments with the spectacle that the rest of the world will be interested in. I reckon if the ICC and Stanford put loads of money in and gave Duncan Fletcher the job of rebuilding their domestic cricket, the West Indies could one day be great again.
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Old 26th October 2008, 16:17   #54
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incidentally, one of our regular contributors on the sussex site is on the trinidad cc committee. He tells some interesting facts about wi cricket, including:-

1. Most players are just paid a match fee for playing for, say, Trinidad. They are therefore really semi-professional, and if youre not in WI immediate plans, you cant really make a living out of the game, which means that many fall by the wayside or might never even risk it
2. Coaching is very threadbare. This can also be borne out by 2 west indians playing for sussex whose careers were in freefall (Dwayne Smith & Corey Collymore). One of these players, Dwayne, almost needs re-building from scratch, and the other, Corey, had never been coached re how to bat - Sussex improved his batting in a matter of weeks
I agree with the above but the Sussex contributor is a member of the management of QPCC(which owns the test ground in Trinidad) not Trinidad and Tobago Cricket Board.TTCB does provide significant support to players and has sound development programmes.However what is lacking is sustainable first class cricket that can support professional cricketers financially.Stanford slogging rubs salt in the wound because they get paid more for a single 20 over slog than they make for a first class season.It is dobtful if this money is well focussed if the aim is to rebuild West Indies test cricket.As Sharky has said you need fundamentals before slogging rather than vice versa.
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Old 26th October 2008, 16:28   #56
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Old 27th October 2008, 18:12   #58
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The point about playing good cricketing shots in 20/20 cricket is a good one....

For example, the MOM in the rain-affected 20/20 match against Australia was Xavier Marshall, and his shots were primarily orthodox cricket shots.

To be fair to Stanford, he has made contributions to the island boards, which should be used for the development of cricket in their respective territories. He's only interested in 20/20 cricket, and that's his prerogative. I have no grouse with that. He didn't have to make those financial contributions to the other territories, but he did that, and more power to him. It's a part of his financial contribution, in return for being given the 20/20 franchise in the region.

The problem is, how will the island territories spend that money? Will they spend it on developing cricket in the longer form of the game? Or will it be mismanaged?

In Montserrat, shortly after received hundreds of thousands of pounds from Stanford, the island territory didn't even have a proper cover for the pitch when it rained during a regional four-day game!

This is one of the problems that needs to be sorted out....
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Any news on the tickets for the real cricket in Feb?
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Any news on the tickets for the real cricket in Feb?
I live in London now....

You'll probably hear before I do!
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