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Old 28th July 2007, 13:09   #41
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So RLS, what was you prize-winning caption?
Nothing I'm afraid, I was somewhat relying on you to provide the necessary rapier-strikes! I'm sure you've got a few you're just waiting to share.

On a more related note, SA have won the tourney. Good stuff:

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/austr...ry/304064.html
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Old 28th July 2007, 15:26   #42
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Nothing I'm afraid, I was somewhat relying on you to provide the necessary rapier-strikes! I'm sure you've got a few you're just waiting to share.

On a more related note, SA have won the tourney. Good stuff:

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/austr...ry/304064.html

Yes I noticed that, NZ had been dominant earlier in the tournament but SA improved a lot towards the end. I also believe that SA has the more promising players as the kiwis seemed to have a few in there who have already proven problematic at international level. Philander looks a good prospect with bat and ball while Duminy who's long been tipped as a future gun bat also did pretty well. Botha seemed to prosper but Harris may be in front as a bowler, though Botha's fielding and batting would strengthen his case.

I won't supply a caption as it would get me in trouble.
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Old 29th July 2007, 13:23   #43
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Interesting article which highlights how SA is nipping the Kolpak thread in the bud with rules governing franchise representation. Also criticises Smith for criticising the youngsters for being too impatient.

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Old 31st July 2007, 09:55   #44
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According to this report, there is a drinking culture within the Proteas squad and it may be compromising their performance and have been responsible for some of the cramping during the World Cup.

http://www.news24.com/News24/Sport/C...156211,00.html
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Old 31st July 2007, 10:25   #45
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According to this report, there is a drinking culture within the Proteas squad and it may be compromising their performance and have been responsible for some of the cramping during the World Cup.

http://www.news24.com/News24/Sport/C...156211,00.html
You tried this one in the world cup and SA went on to win the next game.

However, if this report about an article about a report that says it could have been responsible turns out to be true then that is something they need to look at. 2 months is not that long a time for an international cricketer to be away from home and if the drinking does affect the performance on field then it's negligence.

The mention of the clique is also worrying although again, more rumors (which I know confuses you). From what I've seen, Smith has 100% support of all his players - it's the one thing even his most vehement of detractors acknowledge - so I can't see any adverse effect from having a few he'd regard as friends or that have seniority over others. I'm sure the likes of McGrath, Warne and Hayden were given more time by Ponting than a newbie like Clarke.
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Old 31st July 2007, 10:37   #46
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You tried this one in the world cup and SA went on to win the next game.

However, if this report about an article about a report that says it could have been responsible turns out to be true then that is something they need to look at. 2 months is not that long a time for an international cricketer to be away from home and if the drinking does affect the performance on field then it's negligence.

The mention of the clique is also worrying although again, more rumors (which I know confuses you). From what I've seen, Smith has 100% support of all his players - it's the one thing even his most vehement of detractors acknowledge - so I can't see any adverse effect from having a few he'd regard as friends or that have seniority over others. I'm sure the likes of McGrath, Warne and Hayden were given more time by Ponting than a newbie like Clarke.
Remember I'm just the messenger Slop. I don't know what the relationships within the inner sanctum are like but as you suggest the possible drinking problem needs to be nipped in the bud if it affects performances. These blokes should recognise this too; they're meant to be professionals representing their country.
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Old 31st July 2007, 10:53   #47
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Remember I'm just the messenger Slop.
That's right a messenger with an agenda.

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I don't know what the relationships within the inner sanctum are like but as you suggest the possible drinking problem needs to be nipped in the bud if it affects performances. These blokes should recognise this too; they're meant to be professionals representing their country.
I'm actually quite surprised how much drinking is reported during tournaments and tours. I remember Aussie players getting chucked out of bars in SA, the pedalo incident, the reports of SA players during the world cup and similarly the WI players. Some of it must be detrimental.
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It's clearly detrimental, Wenger couldn't believe the drinking culture when he came into the English game, he had to clean it up because it affects fitness, rehydration, general recovery times, recovery from injury. Le Roux now appears to have quit because the players weren't listening to him. It's unprofessional of the players, but it's their choice ultimately whether they want to compromise their performance or not.
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Old 31st July 2007, 11:35   #49
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It's clearly detrimental, Wenger couldn't believe the drinking culture when he came into the English game, he had to clean it up because it affects fitness, rehydration, general recovery times, recovery from injury. Le Roux now appears to have quit because the players weren't listening to him. It's unprofessional of the players, but it's their choice ultimately whether they want to compromise their performance or not.
I suppose you're right, if a player is good enough then he gets picked regardless of his regime - "good enough" covers fitness as well as ability. However, senior players and the captain especially have a responsibility to the younger players who could easily be dropped should their performance be affected and might be influenced seeing the others partying before a match.
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Old 31st July 2007, 14:13   #50
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According to this report, there is a drinking culture within the Proteas squad and it may be compromising their performance and have been responsible for some of the cramping during the World Cup.

http://www.news24.com/News24/Sport/C...156211,00.html
Wow interesting article. I did see AB struggle really bad with cramps but I didnt think he would get upto that much mischief. Just goes to show the effects on alcohol even on elite athletes.
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Apparently the UCB have issued a denial but I can't get more than a headline from cricinfo
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Old 31st July 2007, 23:27   #52
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Apparently the UCB have issued a denial but I can't get more than a headline from cricinfo
There we go Mr Slop.


http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?s...2523159C675651

http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?s...1841106C445358


http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/aust...ry/304602.html

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Telford Vice's take on matters. Not too complimentary.

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My mate who went to Guyana for a few WC games said he ended up in the same bar as the players quite often though I don't think he saw any of the players inebriated. He did get to meet Shaun Pollock though, who he said was a top top bloke (who shared his love of Glasgow Rangers with my mate, through his background being Scots) and that a few of the Kiwis were a good laugh, even performing the haka for a bunch of Aussie journalists who were on the wind up!!!!! Even so I guess that shows how far cricket is removed from football.
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Well if S.A lost that game due to being drunk in the morning... shame on them a lot of people including me were rooting for them to remove the aussies from the high perch. Somewhere i can see someone smiling on a Pedelo tho... in all of this
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Well if S.A lost that game due to being drunk in the morning... shame on them a lot of people including me were rooting for them to remove the aussies from the high perch. Somewhere i can see someone smiling on a Pedelo tho... in all of this
Being drunk may explain the tactics that saw us 5 down in no time, however no-one has claimed that. They are accused of being unfit due to drinking within 72 hours of a game and that game wasn't unfortunately not long enough for the effects of alcohol on fitness to be a factor.

They were spotted drinking after losing to NZ but went on to thrash England in the next game so it wasn't then either.
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According to reports today the SA 20/20 squad will have to be re-submitted because not enough black players are in it.

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I really do not know why S.A is still clinging to these archaic quota laws. I know this is probably a sensitive topic hence i approach with caution. Why can not players be selected on merit? is that not enough?
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I really do not know why S.A is still clinging to these archaic quota laws. I know this is probably a sensitive topic hence i approach with caution. Why can not players be selected on merit? is that not enough?
Its getting boring, I know they are trying to achieve equality in all walks of life and I respect that, but in this instance I don't think it does many players good if they are brought in before they're ready or if they never have any prospect of being so.
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