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Old 7th August 2007, 14:17   #81
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I'm putting Amla in the Boeta category basically because I don't see him as being technically equipped to succeed at test level. This especially as they seem to regard him as a #3 batsman. I'd imagine he might continue to make runs on the odd flat track, but he's not reliable. Thus I would opt for youth in the form of a J.P. Duminy who could well succeed at both test and one day level. And correct me if I'm wrong? - I believe he's coloured so quotas shouldn't be an issue. Out Amla, in Duminy.

I also think the time is ripe to play at least one of Steyn or Morkel ahead of Nel, Hall and Langeveldt depending on whose picked because of the conditions. To beat the best in the world I believe you have to pick some of this young talent which may have the potential to better the performances against the best of the aforementioned triumvirate.
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Old 7th August 2007, 14:26   #82
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I'm putting Amla in the Boeta category basically because I don't see him as being technically equipped to succeed at test level. This especially as they seem to regard him as a #3 batsman. I'd imagine he might continue to make runs on the odd flat track, but he's not reliable. Thus I would opt for youth in the form of a J.P. Duminy who could well succeed at both test and one day level. And correct me if I'm wrong? - I believe he's coloured so quotas shouldn't be an issue. Out Amla, in Duminy.
Seeing as I don't think the national team is affected by quotas then I don't see Amla and Duminy's skin colour as factor. Amla was selected as that youth and he did well more recently on not so flat tracks. To drop him for another youth could just be damaging to both. I don't mind the selectors giving some of the younger guys a chance if the only reason to select someone new is that they haven't failed yet.

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I also think the time is ripe to play at least one of Steyn or Morkel ahead of Nel, Hall and Langeveldt depending on whose picked because of the conditions. To beat the best in the world I believe you have to pick some of this young talent which may have the potential to better the performances against the best of the aforementioned triumvirate.
I think you're right about the time being right though I'd still like Langeveldt in the squad being such a good death bowler. Hall and Nel have plenty of years left so I don't think they need to be considered as replaceable on that count. You pick youth so that they can get experience and become good bowlers. If drop good, experienced bowlers in order to do that though, it seems to me to defeat the purpose.
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Old 7th August 2007, 14:44   #83
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I think you're right about the time being right though I'd still like Langeveldt in the squad being such a good death bowler. Hall and Nel have plenty of years left so I don't think they need to be considered as replaceable on that count. You pick youth so that they can get experience and become good bowlers. If drop good, experienced bowlers in order to do that though, it seems to me to defeat the purpose.[/quote]

I concede your point and believe all of the aforementioned triumvirate can still be successful especially if conditions suit. Nonetheless I see a Morkel or Steyn maybe taking you a step further. The Nel/Hall type combination could be very successful against sub-continent teams in your bouncy, seaming conditions but I'm not convinced they'll consistently worry the best teams in home or away tests. I think Langeveldt might still be handy at times as a death bowler in ODI's but I believe you have better options for the test matches.

I realise Amla is young but his technique looks very flawed to me and I can't see him being a reliable, especially top order batsman at test level. You would have seen more of him than me (in the flesh) but I would feel more confident in selecting a batsman who appears to be better technically equipped to take you the next step up the test ladder.
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Old 7th August 2007, 14:51   #84
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I realise Amla is young but his technique looks very flawed to me and I can't see him being a reliable, especially top order batsman at test level. You would have seen more of him than me (in the flesh) but I would feel more confident in selecting a batsman who appears to be better technically equipped to take you the next step up the test ladder.
Have you seen much of Duminy?
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Old 7th August 2007, 20:01   #85
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I thought Van Wyk was a keeper.

As for the rest I can only imagine they're trying to get people into gear for the new season. We also have some full ODIs coming up against Zim where others might get a chance. Otherwise it's really stupid to send such senior players on such a tour.
Thami was listed as the keeper.

On Duminy what concerns me is his relatively poor strike rate having not seen him, is this because he lacks shots or is just overly cautious??
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Old 8th August 2007, 00:37   #86
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Have you seen much of Duminy?
Not much, though I know people who've seen a lot of him in SA and who are very positive about him.

Just on his strike-rate, I have noticed that in limited overs games he can up the ante. I have heard talk that he's in the mould of Kallis so perhaps he's slower than average.
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Not much, though I know people who've seen a lot of him in SA and who are very positive about him.
I heard a lot of positives about Duminy too, mostly when he first hit the scene while still writing his final high school exams.

My problem here is picking a youngster who has a lot positive said about him for another who had a lot positive said about him at the time too. Their averages are very similar (though Amla's ODI is slightly better) so I'm not convinced merely picking someone on the basis that they're different is the solution. I don't believe the Aussies ever did that.
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Anyone know much about Alfonso Thomas who Warwicks will sign if he doesnt make your t20 final squad?
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Anyone know much about Alfonso Thomas who Warwicks will sign if he doesnt make your t20 final squad?
I heard little about him until a few years ago when he had a good couple of seasons domestically and in the "A" team before being called up to the senior squad. I don't think he played though and since then he seemed to disappear off the scene. A bowler who can throw the bat around a bit, I think.
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Anyone know much about Alfonso Thomas who Warwicks will sign if he doesnt make your t20 final squad?

He's a coloured player who played for SA in their 20/20 international against Pakistan last summer. He starred. He moved the ball appreciably but didn't get a bat because the openers knocked off all the runs. He looked impressive but it was only one performance. Given that I believe he's thirty, he doesn't have the prospects that some of the younger Saffies have.

Just on McLaren, he commented that he really has enjoyed playing county cricket but he has strong, and it would appear immediate, international aspirations. If SA could convince him that he would be a good chance of selection in some format of the game, he would probably opt to represent his native country.
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I heard a lot of positives about Duminy too, mostly when he first hit the scene while still writing his final high school exams.

My problem here is picking a youngster who has a lot positive said about him for another who had a lot positive said about him at the time too. Their averages are very similar (though Amla's ODI is slightly better) so I'm not convinced merely picking someone on the basis that they're different is the solution. I don't believe the Aussies ever did that.

I think though Slop those who have watched him often and closely have remarked that he has the technique to succeed at the top level. When given the opportunities recently against a few different countries at one day level, he's done pretty well.

As I said before, my reservations about Amla are regarding his technical capabilities. Given that Duminy appears to be able to occupy the crease for long periods in the longer version of the game, it would appear that his temperament is quite good.
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Zim XI finish the day 223/7. 3 for Hall, 2 for Langers and one each for Harris and Gunter. Taibu 56*.

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Bulletin after the second day.

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Bloody Ontong...apparently his 101 was off 85 balls as well.
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Bloody Ontong...apparently his 101 was off 85 balls as well.
Well at least Amla failed, might get Duminy in the test team.
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Bloody Ontong...apparently his 101 was off 85 balls as well.
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Bloody other batsmen, shurely?
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Bloody other batsmen, shurely?
it takes a player of Justins quality to make runs against that attack and he did it so violently to.
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