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Old 14th August 2007, 10:49   #121
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I'm surprised he's taking it so seriously
Has politics reared its ugly head again? Surely Kallis is worth a place ahead of Thandi or Bodi?
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Old 14th August 2007, 10:50   #122
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I'm disappointed with his reaction and, what is effectively a threat to quit. It's been made pretty clear that this is only to rest him for the important stuff. I'm a big fan of Kallis and his style, but despite his recent new-found ability to score faster than 3 an over, I don't think Kallis is that vital to the 20/20 cause. For me, the only real questionable ommision is Hall's especially as we now lack "death" bowlers.

Kallis is throwing his toys out the cart and he's done it publicly before discussing it properly with his employers. The UCB on their part were too slow in explaining the ommisions leaving the press to put headlines out like "Kallis dumped" and leaving other senior players to answer press questions without having the necessary background info.
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Old 14th August 2007, 10:51   #123
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Has politics reared its ugly head again? Surely Kallis is worth a place ahead of Thandi or Bodi?
I know you like to just jump on the opportunity to make up news but here you go http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/south...ry/306843.html

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Old 14th August 2007, 11:13   #124
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Let's hope they sort this out, we can really do without our best player feeling victimised and unwelcome.

He does seem to have taken this a tad too seriously.
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Old 14th August 2007, 11:32   #125
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I know you like to just jump on the opportunity to make up news but here you go http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/south...ry/306843.html
I was aware that that was the 'official' reason for him being omitted but I know that a lot of South Africans smell a conspiracy theory. Personally I can see the merit in it re. packed schedules, blooding some youngsters and the fact that it's not the format of the game that suits him best. Objectively though I think he's better than Thandi and Bodi. Perhaps though Hall missing out was a bigger surprise and harder to justify.
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Old 14th August 2007, 11:33   #126
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Why are you so obsessed with South Africans midnight?
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Old 14th August 2007, 11:47   #127
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I was aware that that was the 'official' reason for him being omitted but I know that a lot of South Africans smell a conspiracy theory.
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Old 14th August 2007, 12:06   #128
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I was aware that that was the 'official' reason for him being omitted but I know that a lot of South Africans smell a conspiracy theory.
Utter ********. Though there is something that smells

The "official" reason Kallis has been left out is, funnily enough, the actual reason. And, as you and every single other journalist point out, completely reasonable. There has been no nospiracy theory. You talk of the need of bringing in new blood (to replace Langeveldt, a player of colour), then you point out two young players as questionable selections despite their very successful domestic seasons. They are of course players of colour so that must be the only reason they were picked, right?

You (and the dimwit forum users you are no doubt about to reference as "evidence") are drumming this up out of what I can only assume is boredom.

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Old 14th August 2007, 12:06   #129
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Why are you so obsessed with South Africans midnight?

Obsessed? I just like the opportunity to discuss international cricket teams other than my own with informed people. On the Australian boards I read, and sometimes participate, the discussion mainly centres around local issues. And the SA situation is interesting because of its complexity. You wonder if at times the whole selection issue is intractable though I hope it's not. Also on a more general note, I'd love to see some other countries reach their potential so that when they come to our shores we can a competitive series. Next summer 2008+, SA tours again and I'd love to see some new blood appear and them to be strong and a challenge for us, ditto SL and India this year. Because of the population of NZ I don't think they have the same opportunity as the sub-continent countries or SA of being consistently competitive.

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brilliant work from the board again. Drop one of your greatest ever and most irreplacable players for no reason, its ok though because was have Albie Morkel.

I can definetly understand his disapointment, this is a big tournament in is his own country and as South Africa's best player he wants to help bring home the trophy.

Bloody fantastic work.
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I can definetly understand his disapointment.
You mean his disappointment at being rested or that there's too much cricket going on which he's been pretty vocal in criticising too?
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brilliant work from the board again. Drop one of your greatest ever and most irreplacable players for no reason, its ok though because was have Albie Morkel.

I can definetly understand his disapointment, this is a big tournament in is his own country and as South Africa's best player he wants to help bring home the trophy.

Bloody fantastic work.
Do you think blooding some of these youngsters is another way of stemming the Kolpak flow?

Why did Kallis opt to rest for some of the international 20/20's if he's so enamoured of the concept? Does anyone really believe he's a better raw hitter than many of the others such as van der Wath etc.? Interesting to note that Kallis's bowling has copped a lot of stick in one day matches of late unless there's been something in the pitch. I'm not convinced he's as big a loss as some believe. It's not test cricket after all.
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Do you think blooding some of these youngsters is another way of stemming the Kolpak flow?
I hadn't considered that, but maybe that's giving the selectors way too much credit.


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Why did Kallis opt to rest for some of the international 20/20's if he's so enamoured of the concept? Does anyone really believe he's a better raw hitter than many of the others such as van der Wath etc.? Interesting to note that Kallis's bowling has copped a lot of stick in one day matches of late unless there's been something in the pitch. I'm not convinced he's as big a loss as some believe. It's not test cricket after all.
Exactly. Kallis chose to rest because he complains there's too much cricket especially for a guy who bats and bowls a lot. He's been off since the world cup but there is a solid 18 months of cricket coming up! And he's not that big a loss with allrounders like Philander and Pollock floating down the order.
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Do you think blooding some of these youngsters is another way of stemming the Kolpak flow?

Why did Kallis opt to rest for some of the international 20/20's if he's so enamoured of the concept? Does anyone really believe he's a better raw hitter than many of the others such as van der Wath etc.? Interesting to note that Kallis's bowling has copped a lot of stick in one day matches of late unless there's been something in the pitch. I'm not convinced he's as big a loss as some believe. It's not test cricket after all.
Interesting point - but may be self defeating. Warwicks cant get a work permit for VVJ partly because he hasnt played any senior level international cricket. We got one for Alfonso Thomas immediately partly because he had played a single T20 game. Blooding may make it easier to Kolpak.
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I hadn't considered that, but maybe that's giving the selectors way too much credit.




Exactly. Kallis chose to rest because he complains there's too much cricket especially for a guy who bats and bowls a lot. He's been off since the world cup but there is a solid 18 months of cricket coming up! And he's not that big a loss with allrounders like Philander and Pollock floating down the order.
Or my favourite, the spunky Johannes van der Wath
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Or my favourite, the spunky Johannes van der Wath
Ah yes, I had meant to list him... not so much the spunky part.
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Gosh now Boucher is in trouble for going in to bat for Kallis.

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Interesting point - but may be self defeating. Warwicks cant get a work permit for VVJ partly because he hasnt played any senior level international cricket. We got one for Alfonso Thomas immediately partly because he had played a single T20 game. Blooding may make it easier to Kolpak.

What will happen to Vaughn van Jaarsveld now? Hasn't he burnt his bridges with CSA?

I guess though Thomas is 30 so the Kolpak option, speaking cynically might be a good financial reason to forgo an international career. A younger player on the other hand if given a taste at test, 20/20 or one day level might feel encouraged enough to go the journey with his nativeland.
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What will happen to Vaughn van Jaarsveld now? Hasn't he burnt his bridges with CSA?

I guess though Thomas is 30 so the Kolpak option, speaking cynically might be a good financial reason to forgo an international career. A younger player on the other hand if given a taste at test, 20/20 or one day level might feel encouraged enough to go the journey with his nativeland.
I don't know what the situation with VVJ is now. He will obviously be able to return to SA to play provincially but whether the UCB will consider him again is questionable. They will be weary of the fact the he could just go over to England the moment he qualifies as a Kolpak.

With all the youngsters now coming through, you're probably right about Thomas. Arthur seems quite keen to see what Steyn has to offer, taking him to Zim as the only member of the team not in the 20/20 squad.
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And what do you think of Boucher's censure Slop?
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