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Old 26th September 2007, 23:10   #61
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Watson aside, our team is relatively old compared with other nations. It had the highest average age of all the competing teams and I think only Clarke and Watson of the regulars were under 30. Hussey may be reasonably new on the international scene but he's already 32. Punter is rising 33 and has a bad back which he's admitted will probably cause some other related injuries. Punter's also had a lot of intense cricket over the years which can cause cumulative stress on the body.
are u sure its intense cricket?
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I don't think that would be a good idea. The nearest to McGrath is Clark and there is Tait, Johnson and Hilfenhaus waiting.
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I don't think that would be a good idea. The nearest to McGrath is Clark and there is Tait, Johnson and Hilfenhaus waiting.
Yes, the McGrath role, in so far as such a thing exists, is already taken by Clark. Lee will be retained, dodgy though he is, so the third seamer slot doesn't have to be either a length, line and bounce merchant nor a skiddy out and out quick. It should just be the best remaining pace bowler and that's not Nofke. I'm not sure who it is though. I would pick Tait, largely because he's all action and his batting is hilarious.
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Johnson has looked very good in India. I'd actually go for him on this form, but I do notice that he has half the FC experience that Tait has. Their averages are similar, but perhaps not surprisingly, Tait beats him on strike rate but is slightly more expensive.
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Old 17th October 2007, 00:39   #65
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Johnson's come on in leaps and bounds but the jury's out as to whether he can replicate his one day form in the test arena. A few years ago he looked like a young, wayward pacemen who could go for plenty. He's been working hard. He was the bowler Lillee identified as our next big thing a few years back.
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Old 17th October 2007, 00:51   #66
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I would pick Tait, largely because he's all action and his batting is hilarious.
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Old 17th October 2007, 02:02   #67
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Johnson's come on in leaps and bounds but the jury's out as to whether he can replicate his one day form in the test arena. A few years ago he looked like a young, wayward pacemen who could go for plenty. He's been working hard. He was the bowler Lillee identified as our next big thing a few years back.
Yes, he was regarded as a huge prospect when he was about 17 and then took a few more years to progress than people had hoped. He looks pretty useful these days though. I like Tait too, partly because of the comic batting, I have to admit. There isn't a shortage of decent Australian pace bowling, sadly, but the consistency won't be there with an attack shorn of McGrath.
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I don't think that would be a good idea. The nearest to McGrath is Clark and there is Tait, Johnson and Hilfenhaus waiting.
Noffke's a fantastic bowler and a great player to have in reserve.

Hard to see anybody touching the aussies over the next few years, their bowling contingent goes pretty deep: Clark, Johnson, Hilfenhaus, Lee, Tait, Noffke, Drew, Bracken, Edmondson. And that's before we even consider Gillespie, Bichel or Kasprowicz. Very healthy situation to be in.
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Noffke's a fantastic bowler and a great player to have in reserve.

Hard to see anybody touching the aussies over the next few years, their bowling contingent goes pretty deep: Clark, Johnson, Hilfenhaus, Lee, Tait, Noffke, Drew, Bracken, Edmondson. And that's before we even consider Gillespie, Bichel or Kasprowicz. Very healthy situation to be in.
Well we don't really need to consider the latter three bowlers because they're all old, well past their best and none of them will play another test barring bizarre sequences of injuries. Lee is over-rated as a test bowler. His average is nothing special and if he loses a fraction of his pace he'll lose what effectiveness he does have. Clark has looked an extremely fine bowler so far in his test career although I doubt he can sustain his current average. The others are either untried or tested and found wanting at test level. They all have talent and I'd be surprised if at least one of Tait and Johnson didn't have a pretty good test career but we'll have to wait and see. On the whole, I think the Aussie pace attack will remain pretty good for years to come, albeit at least a couple of notches below its brilliance when McGrath, Gillespie and Kasprowitz were in harness together. The real concern actually centres around the spin bowling without Warne. MacGill hasn't been in good FC form for a couple of seasons and is all of old, hopeless with the bat and hopeless in the field. There are no terribly convincing alternatives either.

PS. Hogg is an option and can bat and field a bit but he's getting on an awful lot for a test recall, having not done well in the 4 tests he played spread over 7 years.
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Actually, MacGill was superb last season, though I'll add a caveat, namely there was a huge surge in form after Warne announced his retirement. Nevertheless, MacGill is a spinner of the highest quality and can carry on for another few years, that is if he wants to. Apart from MacGill, there isn't a lot in the spin cupboard. Hogg isn't any better than some of the English County Spinners, and none of the young players are quire there yet, though Bailey and Heal have on occasions shown promise, but it'll be a while before they're the finished article. So until the young spin turks come of age, the more juice they can get out of MacGill the better.

Oh and Border is nuts if he thinks playing four pacemen is a good idea in Sri Lanka.
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Actually, MacGill was superb last season, though I'll add a caveat, namely there was a huge surge in form after Warne announced his retirement.
He's averaged 35 for both the last two seasons. Hardly superb
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36.6 and 35.4 FC bowling averages in the last two Australian domestic seasons. Are you sure you mean superb? Distinctly average would seem to be a more accurate description. He didn't do well on the A tour to Pakistan either, averaging 43.7. I would be inclined to agree that MacGill is the likely spin bowling choice but I don't think he'll be terribly successful.
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He's averaged 35 for both the last two seasons. Hardly superb
The thing is Rey, that you beat me to the punch there by not producing the exact figures or punctuating correctly. Shame on you.
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The thing is Rey, that you beat me to the punch there by not producing the exact figures or punctuating correctly. Shame on you.
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Hogg isn't any better than some of the English County Spinners, and none of the young players are quire there yet
I didn't know Hogg had retired from FC cricket a few years ago (to give one of the younger guys more chances), before returning recently. Does make it difficult to consider him for a Test spot in the circumstances. His ODI bowling continues to be very impressive in India.
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I remember Noffke being by far the pick of the Aussie A bowlers in this game.

At the time the snarling Brad Williams was being talked of as the next in the long line of Australian pacemen blah, blah, blah. IIRC Noffke moved the ball both ways at a decent pace on a testing line and length. Stuart Clark was unspectacular. Williams took the wickets in the first innings but like Nathan "the next Warne" Hauritz (and yes, I know he's not even a leggie) didn't look like living up to the hype.

I saw Noffke for I think Middlesex and he again impressed me. I'm a little surprised his international career didn't kick on, but injuries and politics may have played a role, I don't follow Aussie domestic stuff closely enough to know.

Since then Mitchell Johnson and Shaun Tait have emerged as the latest Aussie fast bowling hopes, and seem to have a bit more about them than the likes of Williams.
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36.6 and 35.4 FC bowling averages in the last two Australian domestic seasons. Are you sure you mean superb? Distinctly average would seem to be a more accurate description. He didn't do well on the A tour to Pakistan either, averaging 43.7. I would be inclined to agree that MacGill is the likely spin bowling choice but I don't think he'll be terribly successful.
That's for the whole season, my point was that as soon as Warne announced his retirement, MaGill's form went through the roof and was one of the reasons why NSW finished so strongly and got to the Pura Cup final. The first half of the season he was decidedly undercooked though.
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That's for the whole season, my point was that as soon as Warne announced his retirement, MaGill's form went through the roof and was one of the reasons why NSW finished so strongly and got to the Pura Cup final. The first half of the season he was decidedly undercooked though.
Must have been diabolical in the first half of the season if he still only averaged 35 having performed brilliantly in the second half. Busted flush, imo.
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Must have been diabolical in the first half of the season if he still only averaged 35 having performed brilliantly in the second half. Busted flush, imo.
He wasn't great for the first half, but then neither were NSW to be honest and his performances weren't that much worse than the rest of the side.
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I saw Noffke for I think Middlesex and he again impressed me. I'm a little surprised his international career didn't kick on, but injuries and politics may have played a role, I don't follow Aussie domestic stuff closely enough to know.
Noffke has definitely had lots of problems with injuries in the past. I think he had to cut short spells with both Middlesex and Durham because of it. Looked a very good bowler during his month with Gloucestershire at the start of the 2007 season and he's certainly started the season well in Australia.
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