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Old 22nd October 2007, 12:53   #101
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Yep and who was it won Australia the Ashes? The one player I didnt put down
Not sure - Harmison?
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Old 22nd October 2007, 13:03   #102
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I think Ponting had Tait in mind originally but with his injury and Johnson's good form in the ODIs he will have first chance. When Tait is ready I think Ponting will fit him in somewhere. Lee, Clark, Tait, Johnson and Hilfenhaus, two older and the three younger bowlers. I don't see any other Australian fast bowlers challenging these five for the next 3 or 4 years and by then for bowlers like Noffke and Edmondson it will be too late.
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Old 23rd October 2007, 03:20   #103
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Lee, Clark, Tait, Johnson and Hilfenhaus, two older and the three younger bowlers. I don't see any other Australian fast bowlers challenging these five for the next 3 or 4 years and by then for bowlers like Noffke and Edmondson it will be too late.
I think this is a fair summary, although the big unknown is always injuries, which might give players like Bracken the odd chance.
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Old 23rd October 2007, 07:32   #104
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Is Chris Rogers ever likely to get a game or do you think he just isn't quite good enough?
Yeah, he's right up there IMO - but may have to wait another year for Hatden to retire. He had a huge Pura Cup last season, a lot more consistant tht Jaques, but possibly got marked down due to many of his runs being scored on a very flat WACA pitch.
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Old 23rd October 2007, 08:36   #105
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Allan Border has picked his XI against Sri Lanka at the Gabba. Some controversial selections. Hodge rather than an opening batsman and no MacGill.

M.Hayden, M.Hussey, R.Ponting, B.Hodge, M.Clarke, A.Symonds, A.Gilchrist, B.Lee, M.Johnson, S.Clark, S.Tait.

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Old 23rd October 2007, 08:56   #106
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I wonder if he would have picked that team if he were still a selector? There has been some talk of an all pace attack which would be interesting. Can't see it happening, but will be watching the upcoming Pura Cup round with interest.
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Old 23rd October 2007, 09:09   #107
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I wonder if he would have picked that team if he were still a selector? There has been some talk of an all pace attack which would be interesting. Can't see it happening, but will be watching the upcoming Pura Cup round with interest.
I'd be suprised if they went without a twirly man and I would have thought that Jacques would get his chance?
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It's already been established Hussey won't be moved from 4; Jaques should be a shoe-in
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Allan Border has picked his XI against Sri Lanka at the Gabba. Some controversial selections. Hodge rather than an opening batsman and no MacGill.

M.Hayden, M.Hussey, R.Ponting, B.Hodge, M.Clarke, A.Symonds, A.Gilchrist, B.Lee, M.Johnson, S.Clark, S.Tait.

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It's already been established Hussey won't be moved from 4; Jaques should be a shoe-in
Seems like an odd and unbalanced side, doesn't it? I'm sure we're all right about Jaques playing. Hodge has hardly set the world alight recently and is nearing 33. It has to right to bring in a younger batsman and Jaques has a FC average of 56 plus he's an opener. I can't see a four man pace attack being the correct call either, whatever the reservations about the options for the spinning slot.
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I think it will be

Hayden, Jacques, Ponting, Hussey, Clarke, Symonds, Gilchrist, Lee, Johnson, Clark, McGill
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Hayden, Jacques, Ponting, Hussey, Clarke, Symonds, Gilchrist, Lee, Johnson, Clark, McGill
I agree. Is Watson fit at present? Presumably not. He would have a case for coming in ahead of Symonds.
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I don't think Watson will ever be fit, well not for more than a couple of matches anyway.
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I don't think Watson will ever be fit, well not for more than a couple of matches anyway.
He's taken Australia's desire to 'find a Flintoff' a bit too literally.
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He's taken Australia's desire to 'find a Flintoff' a bit too literally.

Yes I remember him saying he wanted to be the next Flintoff.
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Yes I remember him saying he wanted to be the next Flintoff.
So true, he possibly has the potential to do better with the bat as Symonds but IMHO there isn't much difference with the ball and Symonds has the edge because of the 2nd string to his bow with his tweakers.
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So true, he possibly has the potential to do better with the bat as Symonds but IMHO there isn't much difference with the ball and Symonds has the edge because of the 2nd string to his bow with his tweakers.
Watson is a much more genuine pace bowler than Symonds but with his injuries, his bowling has probably gone backwards rather than forwards in the last two or three years. Watson does have a strong FC record with the bat too (average 49.2) but he won't get in on that alone. He needs to be consistently fit, scoring runs and bowling well. His FC bowling average is surprisingly good too though: 30.15.
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Watson is a much more genuine pace bowler than Symonds but with his injuries, his bowling has probably gone backwards rather than forwards in the last two or three years. Watson does have a strong FC record with the bat too (average 49.2) but he won't get in on that alone. He needs to be consistently fit, scoring runs and bowling well. His FC bowling average is surprisingly good too though: 30.15.
Like you say he had potential with the ball a couple of years ago and could bowl some quick spells at times but didn't have either the accuracy or movement to make him that good an option with the ball. In between his injury bouts he seems to have got slower and he can't have bowled much in state cricket over the last season or so has he?
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Watson is a much more genuine pace bowler than Symonds but with his injuries, his bowling has probably gone backwards rather than forwards in the last two or three years. Watson does have a strong FC record with the bat too (average 49.2) but he won't get in on that alone. He needs to be consistently fit, scoring runs and bowling well. His FC bowling average is surprisingly good too though: 30.15.
As you say - I think his 1st class batting and bowling records are better than Symonds', but the selectors surely won't pick him until he's shown that he can string a few Pura Cup games together. Symonds also has the advantage of being in form (batting-wise in the ODI's at least), and the incumbent.
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Interestingly, Watson actually has very good bowling averages for the last Australian season. He's just not bowling enough for his averages to be that reliable a guide though. Even if he is quite effective, if he's unable to bowl half the time he wouldn't justify a place in the side (cf. Flintoff).
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Actually I thought Watson's bowling was better than ever until his injury last November. If I recall he bowled some pretty good spells in the DLF cup and/or Champions Trophy. He seemed to be gaining confidence in his bowling and was starting to try some pace variations and could bowl the odd surprisingly quick bouncer. At his best is probably more dangerous than Symonds, who seems to embarass batsmen out.

His only real chance this season will be to play solid, injury free cricket and to hope Symonds struggles or is injured.
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